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damien b
11th July 2008, 03:58 AM
From the Sydney Morning Herald.


Relax Tasman travel limits, say airports
Jano Gibson Urban Affairs Reporter
July 11, 2008

DIRECT flights from New Zealand to Australia should be treated like domestic trips between Australian cities to boost international traveller numbers, leaders of the tourism industry say.

The idea of bridging the divide between the countries is included in Newcastle Airport's submission to the Federal Government's aviation review.

"New Zealand should be treated as domestic through reduced [customs, immigration and quarantine] requirements," the submission said.

"This would better place Australia as an attractive international tourism destination through improved air accessibility similar to that achieved in the [European Union]."

The concept has been supported by Canberra airport, while Air New Zealand and the Tourism and Transport Forum said relaxing passenger processing regulations would benefit tourism.

New Zealand is Australia's biggest tourism market: more than 1.1 million of its nationals arrived in the past 12 months.

By comparison, 685,000 Britons came to Australia for business or leisure, while 461,000 arrived from the US.

A recent report commissioned by the Premier, Morris Iemma, found the Government had lost billions of dollars in potential tourism revenue since the 2000 Sydney Olympics because of a "doesn't care" attitude.

One of the recommendations by the report's author, John O'Neill, was for Newcastle Airport to become the state's second international aviation hub.

The airport currently has one "international" flight per week to Norfolk Island but hopes to establish direct links to New Zealand and Malaysia in the future.

Its chief executive, Paul Hughes, said the cost of supplying customs, immigration and quarantine facilities made it difficult for regional airports to open up to international carriers.

"To have a range of barriers between the two countries, where the countries are very closely aligned, to me is a restrictive trade opportunity, particularly in terms of tourism," Mr Hughes said.

The managing director of Canberra airport, Stephen Byron, said assisting regional airports to cater for international flights would have benefits elsewhere.

"It helps airports like Newcastle and Canberra play a role in trying to ease the squeeze on Sydney Airport," Mr Byron said.

The friendly rivalry between Australia and New Zealand should not get in the way of attempts to improve tourism opportunities, he said.

"Some people think Kiwis are funny people but other people think Adelaide people are funny people. I think we are all from the same part of the world … and anything we can do to enhance tourism … we should be doing."

The general manager Australia for Air New Zealand, John Harrison, said: "Any reductions in departure and arrival processes should be positive for the tourism industries of both countries."

The executive director of the Tourism and Transport Forum, Olivia Wirth, said long queues at quarantine checkpoints were damaging Australia's reputation.

"We need to look at new measures, such as the one being proposed by Newcastle [Airport]," Ms Wirth said.

A spokesman for the Minister for Infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, said the idea would be considered in the same way as all other submissions to the review.

The Government will release an aviation policy green paper in September, followed by a white paper early next year.



The idea certainly has merit.

Al.B.SYD
11th July 2008, 06:08 AM
It's had merit since it was first floated as part 3 of the original SAM proposal back in 1994. All of part 3 was put on the backburner in 1996 when parts 1 & 2 were signed off, and then it was the only piece of part 3 of SAM that didn't make it through the Nov 2000 signing off of SAM part 3.

In essence, one entry point with relevant immigration and customs checks for both countries done there and one exit point (last point of visit in either country) for both countries done at that point. Effectively turning trans-Tasman into domestic.

Nigel C
11th July 2008, 08:35 AM
I always thought NZ were our Eastern Islands anyway....;)

Rod Sloan
11th July 2008, 10:34 AM
Ah Nigel,,,almost but not quite.

New Zealand - North Island, South Island, WEST island.

:D

NickN
11th July 2008, 11:34 AM
I have always considered NZ to be another Island of Australia, sort of like Tassie. Half of the country lives here anyways.

Grant Smith
11th July 2008, 11:40 AM
"Some people think Kiwis are funny people but other people think Adelaide people are funny people..."

I think both Kiwi and Adelaide folk are "funny"...

:D

Raymond Rowe
11th July 2008, 12:08 PM
Everyone knows my feelings.Keep them away from here. It should be kept as it is now.

Grant Smith
11th July 2008, 12:16 PM
Haha swaggy, I thought you of all people would be the most embrassing of this idea?

Hmmm... Mixed signals...

:D

Nigel C
11th July 2008, 01:54 PM
Everyone knows my feelings.Keep them away from here. It should be kept as it is now.


Yes, you can't trust those Adelaide people.

The Kiwis are ok though!

ChrisG.
11th July 2008, 02:06 PM
G'day Ray,
In my time of reading the board, I have noticed that you seem to have a totally unfounded hate of New Zealanders. Also of low cost carriers. Also of folk of different culture (no bacon on a chicken burger should jog the memory).

Is there anything in the world that you do appreciate?

Perhaps it's time to move on.

Chris

David Ramsay
11th July 2008, 04:21 PM
Thank you Nigel . :)

As for Adelaide ... I guess anyone who lives in a time zone which is half an hour out from the rest of the world has an excuse for being "different". :p

damien b
11th July 2008, 04:48 PM
Yes, you can't trust those Adelaide people.

The Kiwis are ok though!

Hey - whats wrong with us Adelaidians? :p

No - no need to answer that either. That could take all day.

David E
11th July 2008, 07:42 PM
Nothing wrong with Adelaideans/Sth Australians. Most of us are decendants of free settlers rather than our east coast cousins who,how ,shall I put this ,delicatley and in a way we can all understand - arrived in shackles !:D

Craig Lindsay
11th July 2008, 07:55 PM
Wasnt nz once part of nsw

Nigel C
11th July 2008, 08:44 PM
Everyone knows my feelings.Keep them away from here. It should be kept as it is now.

I agree Ray. Your feelings should be kept away from here, and things should be left as they are now.:p

Shameel Kumar
11th July 2008, 11:17 PM
If this does go ahead, how will this affect the Australia-NZ-USA flights? I guess you wouldn't be able to transit from one aircraft to the other, but rather have to go through customs & immigrations at AKL, and then avoid the mess at SYD especially in the morning.

Overall though, I think it's a good idea. :)

Shameel Kumar
11th July 2008, 11:33 PM
Wasnt nz once part of nsw

I see you have a bit of historical knowledge there Craig..:D that is true, NZ was for a short period of time under NSW control..and even Fiji was considering becoming a colony of Australia, but all that fell apart mid 1890's...and by 1900 we (Australia) finally federated.

Poor Kiwi's didn't know what they were going to miss out on... :D;)

Greg McDonald
12th July 2008, 01:08 PM
Poor Kiwi's didn't know what they were going to miss out on... :D;)

Not missing out on anything....most of 'em live here don't they??:rolleyes:

Jason Carruthers
12th July 2008, 02:05 PM
If this does go ahead, how will this affect the Australia-NZ-USA flights? I guess you wouldn't be able to transit from one aircraft to the other, but rather have to go through customs & immigrations at AKL, and then avoid the mess at SYD especially in the morning.

Overall though, I think it's a good idea. :)

I suppose this would work similar to how passengers fly domestic sectors on international flights. For instance a pax flying MEL-AKL on QF25 would get a "Trans tasman" sticker on his/her boarding pass. They would then board/deplane through existing International infrastructure where they would then walk around immigration/customs on presentation of their boarding pass.




Jason

Ash W
12th July 2008, 05:55 PM
I suppose this would work similar to how passengers fly domestic sectors on international flights. For instance a pax flying MEL-AKL on QF25 would get a "Trans tasman" sticker on his/her boarding pass. They would then board/deplane through existing International infrastructure where they would then walk around immigration/customs on presentation of their boarding pass.

Jason

It doesn't have to be. The ideal situation is what happens to passengers in countries that are a party to the Schengen Agreement. Basicly when a passenger arrives from a country that is not part of Schengen they arrive as an international pax. If they then depart to a country that is part of Schengen they depart as, what we in Aus would call a domestic pax. ie no passport or custom controls.

The same is true for departures. From a Schengen country to a non Schengen you go through passport control and are treated as an International pax.

As for this specific proposal it makes sense to me and there would be no fear about keeping the Kiwi's out as they already have far greater freedom to enter Aus than people from other counties, and of course vice versa with Australians entering NZ. So we are half way there already. All we would need to do is align our immigration policies to prevent back door entry of nationals from third party countries and align our customs and quarantine controls and procedures.

Graeme M
13th July 2008, 08:56 AM
North Island, South Island and West Island


Cheers
Graeme:p:p:p