Virgin Fleet plans

[MarkR]

Update this morning on Virgins fleet plans as part of their profit announcement:

737s 4 to be delivered, three lease returns
Tiger +1 A320
Emb 190s Five to be sold
F50's x 8 to leave fleet

IIRC only the E190s are news, and still no fleet changes for international re more aircraft and A330s on Fiji during peak.

[Steve S... 2]

Any updated news on the Fokker 100's?

As part of the 8 F50's retiring, VAR were to add 1 x A320 and 4 x F100. 2 F100's had already arrived (FWH & FWI).

The withdrawing E190's are a shock and sound crazy, as one would have expected more purchased down the track to replace F100's.

[Greg McDonald]

Shame about the 190s. Easily one of the more comfortable aircraft around.

[MarkR]

No mention of more F100s or the A320, suspect it's on ice due to the downturn in the mining sector.

[Greg Hyde]

Virgin Australia to remove five Embraer E190s from fleet, reaffirms guidance for full year profit

Virgin Australia says it plans to work its fleet harder in calendar 2016 after announcing the withdrawal of five Embraer E190s, as the airline group reaffirmed a return to profitability for the full 2015/16 financial year.

The 98-seat E190 fleet will be reduced to 13, from 18 currently, by September 2016, Virgin said in its 2015/16 first half financial results on Thursday.

The E190 disposals would be covered through increased utilisation of the airline’s Boeing 737-800 fleet, Virgin said.

Virgin also announced it would sell its six Embraer E170s which were currently sub-leased to alliance partner Delta Air Lines.

And the company said Virgin Australia Regional Airlines’ (VARA) Fokker 50s, which the airline put up for sale in October 2015, will be gone by the end of 2015/16.

The fleet optimisation initiatives were part of the airline group’s cost reduction program, as well helping pay down debt and improve fleet utilisation, Virgin said. The airline is targeting $1.2 billion in cumulative cost savings by the end of 2016/17.

The company has also brought back in-house line maintenance of its ATR turboprops and signed a new engine maintenance contract with Delta Air Lines for the 737 fleet.

As previously disclosed in its second quarter financial results, Virgin posted a welcome return to the black in the six months to December 31 2015 with net profit coming in at $62.5 million, compared with a $47.8 million statutory net loss in the prior corresponding period.

Virgin said it was the strongest net profit result since the first half of 2009/10.

Underlying profit before tax, which removes one-off items and was the airline’s preferred indicator of financial performance, rose to $81.5 million in the half, compared with $10.2 million a year ago.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/02/virgin-australia-to-remove-five-embraer-e190s-from-fleet/

[Dennis McLean]

I wonder, Virgin getting rid of 5 E.190's and Air North getting up to 5 E.190's. NO, of course it is just pure speculation????????

[Rowan McKeever]

How did I not put that together yesterday!!! Although the rumoured 5x E90 for TL are also rumoured to be for QLink ops... who knows! :P

[MarkR]

Wouldn't be surprised if they go to Air North, Bristow currently use one with Cobham ex Perth and although the contract with Cobham was extended, it's possible they will move it since they acquired Air North, using the other aircraft in place of the BAE146 ops.

[Mick F]

Tiger +1 A320

I'm curious as to where you got that information?

I don't believe there are any further aircraft coming for Tigerair apart from the 737's for international ops.

Mick

[David Knudsen]

Sad to lose some 190's, they are infinitely more comfortable to fly on than a 737/A320 - I would happily change my schedule or pay a bit more to go on one, which I think is something Virgin realised because they usually seem to be $20-30 pricier on routes that have a mix of 737's.

[MarkR]

I'm curious as to where you got that information?

I don't believe there are any further aircraft coming for Tigerair apart from the 737's for international ops.

Mick

It's from the investor preso and covers FY16, in this case an already delivered aircraft, as is the case with some of the 738s.

[Robert.M]

Sad to lose some 190's, they are infinitely more comfortable to fly on than a 737/A320

I didn't mind Airnorth's first E170 (VH-ANO) and VirginBlue (before it became VA) felt a little tighter in the leg room department. No E190 aircraft operate near by (both Albury and Canberra are operated by ATR 72 [another aircraft I've yet to fly on]), so can't comment on them. :/

[Yusef D]

There will be some additional DOMESTIC flying for the Tigerair painted 737s.

[Steve Jones]

Today's announcement about a VA and Alliance partnership provides some interesting options on VA's future fleet as well, especially as Alliance are taking delivery of all those F70s/100s ex Austrian (does anyone know how many?)

[Rowan McKeever]

There will be some additional DOMESTIC flying for the Tigerair painted 737s.

Any clues as to what that might be, Yusef? Just operating on the existing domestic network alongside the A320s or do they have something else planned?

[Rob R]

Today's announcement about a VA and Alliance partnership provides some interesting options on VA's future fleet as well, especially as Alliance are taking delivery of all those F70s/100s ex Austrian (does anyone know how many?)


21 F70/100s from Austrian,

[Greg Hyde]

Also last week Alliance announced that it had won a new Santos contract

Alliance Airlines has signed a new five-year contract with Santos covering the oil and gas company’s operations in South Australia.

As part of the new deal, Alliance will start jet services from Adelaide to Santos’ oil and gas operations in the Cooper Basin.

“The initial requirement is for Alliance to operate between 10 and 16 services per week in its own right and to coordinate and manage airport operations and intra-field subcontracted flying,” Alliance said in a statement on Friday.

Alliance chief executive Lee Schofield said the new five-year contract – which includes both jet and turboprop operations and airport management – was won in partnership with Avmin Air Charter Specialists and would “provide Santos with a total package including ground support and airport management at both Moomba and Ballera”.

“This new contract adds to services that Alliance have provided to Santos in Queensland since 2006,” Schofield said in a statement.


This may give then fleet flexibility if they need to use something bigger then a F100

Win, Win all round

[Rowan McKeever]

Without wanting to take this off topic, but just a quick question which has also been raised elsewhere... does anyone know if the new Alliance / Santos contract means Cobham will cease operating Adelaide-Moomba?

[Justin L]

Adelaide's Advertiser newspaper reports that Cobham will cease flying FIFO services on the Adelaide-Moomba route after February 29, 2016.

[Yusef D]

So... what was "Today's announcement about a VA and Alliance partnership"???

[MarkR]

Future charter signings will be a joint venture.

[Rowan McKeever]

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/02/virgin-alliance-announce-strategic-partnership-for-fifo-charter/

Strategic partnership for charter ops... basically that each airline will continue to operate its existing charter contracts in its own right but they will work together on future contracts.

[Greg Hyde]

Which means, if it is too big for Alliance, VAR will pick it up with A320,B737 or visa-versa with Alliance F50/70/100.

I wonder if Alliance F70/F100 will replace some of the E-Jet which are going to be withdrawn ?

[Yusef D]

Interesting.

I don't see Alliance operating VA's EJets. A second operator is a reduction in efficiency. Not that that stops VA these days. Scotty Mac's appreciation for the Fokkers stops not far short of fetishism.

Interesting to see if the ACCC approves. It is literally reducing competition in the markets where these two companies operate.

[MarkR]

Which means, if it is too big for Alliance, VAR will pick it up with A320,B737 or visa-versa with Alliance F50/70/100.

I wonder if Alliance F70/F100 will replace some of the E-Jet which are going to be withdrawn ?

The ejets are going as VA have surplus capacity, so no need to replace them. While that may change in the future, I doubt you will see much placement of Fokker's on RPT routes, the equipment is not up to spec, ie no gate to gate IFE or streaming, limit galley etc.

[GarethK]

There will be some additional DOMESTIC flying for the Tigerair painted 737s.

I would be surprised if Tiger fly these domestically. They haven't added much since the latest A320 came on last year, probably only half of it is being used. Also, they could work their other aircraft more.

It would be costly to introduce the 737 for them wouldn't it?

Or maybe Yusef heard this from somewhere and it is actually going to happen?

[GarethK]

Update this morning on Virgins fleet plans as part of their profit announcement:

737s 4 to be delivered, three lease returns
Tiger +1 A320
Emb 190s Five to be sold
F50's x 8 to leave fleet

IIRC only the E190s are news, and still no fleet changes for international re more aircraft and A330s on Fiji during peak.

Regarding the announcements on 737 and A320 changes above, they are changes that have already happened in the last few months

[Rowan McKeever]

I would be surprised if Tiger fly these domestically. They haven't added much since the latest A320 came on last year, probably only half of it is being used. Also, they could work their other aircraft more.

It would be costly to introduce the 737 for them wouldn't it?

Or maybe Yusef heard this from somewhere and it is actually going to happen?

They've gotta do something with them... the proposed schedule for MEL/ADL/PER to DPS only requires 2 airframes. I know they have to cover maintenance, but not like that...

[GarethK]

It will be interesting to see but I would bet that they'll just leave them sitting around half of the time.

[Yusef D]

the proposed schedule for MEL/ADL/PER to DPS only requires 2 airframes. I know they have to cover maintenance, but not like that...


I count it as about 1.4 airframes, not including maint downtime. expect MEL-ADL flights on TT 738s with wifi IFE, and others on a schedule recovery basis.

[Rowan McKeever]

Yeah something around 1.4... I wasn't being very exact, more saying the 3rd aircraft is somewhat more of a spare wheel! I agree there must be something more cost-effective for them than simply segregating the 737s onto international.

[Yusef D]

Agreed, Rowan. I hope there's a big picture here but I doubt it.

TT 737 IFE:
https://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/2016/02/17/tigerair-swaps-boardconnect-for-cloudstore-on-ex-va-aircraft/

[Steve S... 2]

VA has just registered another new 737-800 VH-YFW.

Looks like the fleet plans a few threads back are correct - and this is one of a further four new 738's to be delivered.

I think you will find that there is another new A320 on order for TT if investigated further.

[Greg Hyde]

VH-YFW B737-8FE for VA added to the register on 18/02/2016

Hi Steve,

I posted this to http://yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=10918

maybe we need a new reg thread

[Yusef D]

4 738s in, 3 out I hear

[Mick F]

Steve,
Where abouts is the info on another 320 order for TT?

[Alex Lui]

VH-VPD was operating VA9949, a position flight to KWCF on Wednesday 24 February 2016.

Could this be the first aircraft undergoing the refit?

[Radi K]

Yes

[Dom Fortey]

ZPD and ZPG (e190) have both left Australia and are not returning.

[GarethK]

VA has just registered another new 737-800 VH-YFW.

Looks like the fleet plans a few threads back are correct - and this is one of a further four new 738's to be delivered.

I think you will find that there is another new A320 on order for TT if investigated further.

Thanks Steve, I'm surprised they registered another B738 considering they said 4 new in FY16 and we already saw those 4 arrve in H1.

Regarding TT A320, they said 14th A320 in H1 which we have seen but no mention of a 15th A320. Does anyone know if they are getting another one soon? If they do we could see some new routes from them!

[Greg Hyde]

ZPD and ZPG (e190) have both left Australia and are not returning.

From VA Source

9th March 2016 - VH-ZPD Leaves Nashville Maintenance, Positions to Roswell.
Embraer 190 VH-ZPD departed the Nashville maintenance facility this morning and positioned Nashville - Roswell as VA9904.

Stored, Roswell ?

[Rob R]

It's at Roswell for painting as there are no paint facilities in Nashville. It will reposition back to Nashville in 7-10 days.

[Greg Hyde]

Has the new owners been announced as yet ?

[Radi K]

Was mexico - now middle east airline.

[Greg Hyde]

ch-aviation announced on 11/03/2016 that

Atrak Air (AK, Tehran Mehrabad) has acquired six Embraer Regional Jets and three A320ceo airline sources have told the Aviation Iran magazine. The three Airbus Industrie (AIB, Toulouse Blagnac) twinjets will reportedly deliver in June of this year, adding to the carrier's existing fleet of three A320-200s (only one of which is currently operational).

[Rob R]

All five have apparently been purchased by a lease company. Current information suggests ZPD will be heading to the Middle East and ZPG to Mexico. Until the aircraft are painted and delivered, nothing is confirmed.

[Steve S... 2]

Hi,

VA 738 VH-YFW appeared on the CASA aircraft register a couple of weeks ago.

However VH-YFW is no longer on the register...

Regards,

Steve

[Greg Hyde]

Steve,

Good catch, if it has been deleted then it occurred after the 11/03.

It might appear in next weeks deletions as ntu.

[Greg Hyde]

YFW was deleted from the Register on 02/03.

11.130 - Cancelled - Registration Holder Request - Exported to United States of America

ie NTU

[Greg Hyde]

From VA Source

21st March 2016 - VH-ZPD Positions Back to Nashville.
Embraer 190 VH-ZPD, which positioned from maintenance at Nashville to Roswell on 9th March for further attention, positioned Roswell - Nashville this afternoon as VA9903.

Any spies at Nashville to check the livery ?

[GarethK]

YFW was deleted from the Register on 02/03.

11.130 - Cancelled - Registration Holder Request - Exported to United States of America

ie NTU

I still see YFW in the register. Are you sure it's gone?

[Steve S... 2]

Yes it is now back on the register.

But it was gone/deleted for a while there.

I just searched for VH-YFY out of interest. It brought up VH-YFI !! Go figure.

I know it rhymes but geez.

[Greg Hyde]

Beats Me !!

It was definitely not on the register last week. Search failed.

I saw a deletion record for the 02/03 but it did not appear in this weeks deletions.

I've just checked and the register date shows 18/02.

Maybe someone at CASA started their Easter festivities early ?

[Rob R]

VH-ZPD has also done a pre-delivery (to new owners) flight today, KBNA - KBNA.

[Rob R]

I've seen a photo of VH-ZPD in it's new livery and it should be on it's way to it's new operator soon (if not already).

[Greg Hyde]

From VA Source:

30th March 2016 - VH-ZPF Positions to Nashville Maintenance.
Embraer 190 VH-ZPF positioned Brisbane - Apia as VA9901 this morning and will continue Apia - Honolulu - Van Nuys - Nashville for maintenance

Will it be coming back ?

[Steve Jones]

I might have missed this, but what livery was ZPD painted in?

[NathanJ]

ZPF is apparently gone for good. Farewell Maiden Brazil!

[Rob R]

ZPD's new home is to the East of the USA (the operator has a very small Ejet fleet).

ZPF arrives is Nashiville Friday (US time). ZPG should depart Nashville within the next 2-4 days for it's repaint in Roswell and return to Nashville about a week later. ZPF will also head to Roswell in about 4 weeks for it's repaint.

[Rowan McKeever]

lol how far east of the USA!?!?

[Rob R]

If it went in s straight line from Nashville, it's new home would be about 11-12 hours away.

ZPG is now in Roswell for it's repaint and ZPF is in Nashville.

[Rowan McKeever]

Air Costa (India), Kenya Airways & Egyptair would be my best guesses...

[Rob R]

Close with your third choice.

[Steve S... 2]

Royal Jordanian?

[Rob R]

No, but very close.

[Rowan McKeever]

Arkia? Saudi Arabian? Gulf Air? Oman Air?

[Max C]

Anadolu Jet, Borajet, FlyNas?

[Rob R]

It's one of the Airlines Rowan has listed and they already have a very small fleet of Ejets's (that should give it away).

[NathanJ]

Sounds like top secret stuff! I'm on the edge of my seat!

[NathanJ]

planespotters.net lists ZPD as going to aeromexico?

[Rowan McKeever]

All the ones I mentioned have EJets, Rob! lol you're good at keeping a secret, I'll give you that! ;)

[Rob R]

It's not going to Aeromexico, G and F might go there. The airline it's joining do not operate E170/E175's, so that should help.

[Rowan McKeever]

Haha it does, yeah ;)

[Steve S... 2]

ZPD for Arkia-Israeli Airlines.

Or is it ZPG for Arkia......

Arkia is the Middle East airline with two E190's.

[Rob R]

Steve got it.

ZPG's future is unknown at this stage, but early indications are it will go to Aeromexico.

All 5 aircraft have been purchased by a lease company, they could end up anywhere.

[Greg Hyde]

From VA Source

2nd April 2016 - VH-ZPG Positions to Roswell Maintenance.
Withdrawn Embraer 190 VH-ZPG, which has been under end of lease maintenance at Nashville, positioned Nashville - Roswell for repaint for a new operator today as VA9904.

[Rob R]

ZPG will be back in Nashville early next week following it's repaint. ZPF will position from Nasville to Roswell in around 3-4 weeks for it's repaint.

[Rob R]

ZPD completed it's final flight as ZPD on the 14th with a Nashville to Nashville flight. It should show up as exported next week some time.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHZPD

ZPG has positioned back to Nashville following repainting.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHZPG/history/20160415/1930Z/KROW/KBNA

[Greg Hyde]

from skyliners

Embraer 190 AR 190.00176 4X-EMD Arkia delivery 15-16apr16 BNA-YYR-EDI, c/n tbc ex VH-ZPD

[Greg Hyde]

ZPD was deleted from the Aus Reg on 15/04

[Greg Hyde]

VH-YFW B737-8FE for VA added to the register on 18/02/2016

Hi Steve,

I posted this to http://yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=10918

maybe we need a new reg thread

Any news on when VH-YFW is due to arrive ?

[Rob R]

VH-ZPE will depart for Nashville early next week.

[Rob R]

ZPE is departing this morning on the standard route to Nashville.
VUP is departing for Singapore this morning.

[Bob C]

Thanks Rob ; is -VUP leaving for good ?

Cheers

Bob

[MarkR]

Three ATRs to be sold as the resources downturn bites (the ATR fleet is now mainline and not with VARA). Some WA routes to go to F100 fm 737.

[Greg Hyde]

Virgin expects to post $30-60 million underlying profit for full 2015/16 year

Virgin Australia says the airline group is on track for a full year profit despite a forecast second half loss amid weak demand in its key domestic market that has prompted capacity cuts focused on regional routes.

The company reported a statutory loss after tax of $58.8 million for the three months to March 31, compared with $28.3 million loss in the prior corresponding period. Virgin said the bulk of the deterioration in the statutory result was due to restructuring charges such as the removal of surplus capacity due to the resources downturn.

Underlying profit before tax, which removes one-off costs and was the airline’s preferred measure of financial performance, was $18.6 million, an improvement from the $22.2 million underlying pre-tax loss a year ago.

“While the group improved its underlying performance in this quarter, it was against a challenging operating environment,” Virgin chief executive John Borghetti said in a statement on Monday.

“This environment has been impacted by weak consumer demand and sentiment, uncertainty around the federal election and the resources sector downturn.

“As a consequence, we will reduce group capacity by 5.1 per cent in the fourth quarter, with domestic reductions focused on regional routes.”

Borghetti said the fleet restructuring would offer “significant cost savings going forward”.

Virgin said it expected its 2015/16 full year underlying profit before tax to be in the range of $30 million to $60 million. The compared with an underlying loss before tax of $49 million for the 12 months to June 30 2015.

The full year guidance points to a second half loss of between $20 million and $50 million, given Virgin posted underlying profit before tax of $81.5 million in the 2015/16 first half.

Virgin’s assessment of the state of the domestic market mirror those of its local rival Qantas, which said on March 30 it planned to put the brakes on domestic market growth due to weaker-than-expected demand.

“Some softness in demand, related to the upcoming federal election and recent drop in consumer confidence in Australia, began to emerge over the peak Easter and school holiday period in late March and continued to be seen in forward bookings in April and May,” Qantas said on April 18.

“Traffic over the peak Easter and school holiday period from late March fell below expectations, compounded by a disconnect in the timing of Easter and school holidays in most Australian states.”

The company’s third quarter traffic statistics showed both its Virgin and Tigerair domestic operations grew capacity, measured by available seat kilometres (ASK), and the number of passengers carried.

Virgin domestic flew 4.1 million passengers in the three months to March 31, up 1.6 per cent from the prior corresponding period, while ASK’s also rose by 1.6 per cent. Load factors were 1.1 percentage points higher at 75.4 per cent.

At Tigerair, passenger numbers rose 14.7 per cent increase to a little over 1 million, while ASKs were 14.1 per cent higher. Load factors eased 0.2 percentage points to 85.5 per cent.

Virgin’s international network posted a slight decline in passenger numbers and capacity. At the end of March, Virgin handed over its flights to Bali from Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth to Tigerair. And its international capacity was also expected to be affected in the final three months of 2015/16 as its Boeing 777-300ER fleet has new business class seats installed, resulting in the temporary suspension of its three-times weekly Sydney-Abu Dhabi service between April and July.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/05/virgin-expects-to-post-30-60-million-underlying-profit-for-full-201516-year/

[Steve H.]

Hi folks,

I was reading Arkia is taking delivery of another E190 in June, I assume this will be VH-ZPF which is currently in Rosswell, NM for painting? As VH-ZPG remains on the Embraer apron in Nashville, TN in plain white. Unless it is to be VH-ZPF which is in maintenance in Nashville currently.

With the Aeromexico leases fallen through of the remaining 3 E190s that Virgin has sold, this gives strength to the latest murmurs that they are being leased back to Virgin at a deal that was too good to pass up.

SH

[Rob R]

Heard a rumour last week that one of the Ejets currently in the US will be heading back to Virgin. Currently ZPE, ZPF and ZPG are over there.

[Rob R]

VH- ZPH is due to depart Brisbane for Nashville (via the standard route) at 0810am today. This aircraft is only going for maintanance and will return in 4-5 weeks time.

VH-ZPF will position Roswell back to Nashville in the next days.

[MarkR]

Today Virgin have announced the exit of all Embraer aircraft within three years and a reduction in the ATR fleet as part of the capital raising program.

[Radi K]

They are $2.1Bn in debt.

[MarkR]

They have 2.1bn of debt, or 1/3 that of Qantas.

[Ash W]

Not quite sure what Qantas's debt has to do with anything...

[Steve S... 2]

New VA 737-800 VH-YFW 41037 - has been allocated line number 5978 so should roll off the production line shortly.

[Greg Hyde]

looks like ZPG has a new owner.

Deleted from Aus Reg on 7/7/16 and exported to USA

[Steve S... 2]

With all the Embraer's gradually being withdrawn, and at least 14 737-800's gradually transferring across to Tiger, that must mean these will happen as new 737-800's are delivered?

Does anyone know what the future 737 delivery plans are? And how many.

Thanks.

[Greg Hyde]

Don't they have 40 X MAX8 on order ?

[Neil L]

E-190 ex VH-ZPG

Registered N195EM 08 July 2016 to

Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee, Salt lake City

[Neil L]

Confirmed Greg

40 x B737MAX due approx 2019-2021 if not earlier

[Rob R]

ZPG was flown to Marana Az last week, so it's now in long term storage. Given the amount of 190's on or a about to hit the market there is a good chance ZPG will never leave Marana has a complete aircraft.

[Yusef D]

I think it's 48 MAXs on the way, and around 8-12 -800s.

[Steve S... 2]

The new VH-YFW was delivered to Brisbane on Sat 16 July 2016.

I imagine as further 738's are delivered, they will withdraw non-sky interior 738's to transfer across to Tiger.

[Greg Hyde]

Has YFW been named as yet ?

[Stefan Perkas]

Turquoise Bay is the name according to Virgin Facebook page.

[Dave Parer]

VH-YIS ferried to TSV last night so I presume it will enter the paint shop.

[Rowan McKeever]

Surely YIS can't be up for a repaint already!?!?!?

[Steve S... 2]

I'm curious as to why YIS went to TSV.

Surely VA wouldn't transfer modern sky interior 738's to Tiger and keep the old interior 738's for themselves... ??

[NathanJ]

Surely YIS can't be up for a repaint already!?!?!?

Recently i've observed several YF, YV and YI aircraft that have been freshly repainted upon return to Australia after undergoing "maintenance" in Jakarta...

As to why this is happening i don't know, perhaps better quality and lighter paint is now available?

If this is indeed the case there are surely cost savings by to be had over the remainder of the aircrafts serviceable life with Virgin Australia...

Perhaps Flying Colours are performing the same tasks on behalf of the Airline?

[Rowan McKeever]

Ahhhhhhh fair enough!! That makes a lot of sense :)

[NathanJ]

Regarding the transfer of 737's to tiger surely the 9 VO series aircraft which are the oldest and i'm assuming fully owned by VA frames will be the first to migrate to the low cost Jungle?

[Dave J]

There has been an issue with the original primer which Boeing used on a lot of the Y registered aircraft.

They need to go back to the paint shop, complete strip back to metal, correct primer applied, and new paint job to finish!

Big job, but better than dealing with corrosion issues on such new airframes...

[Yusef D]

hope that's a warranty job!

Meanwhile inflight internet announced for 737, A330, 777.

[Greg Hyde]

From VA Source

29th July 2016 - VH-YFW Enters Service.
Boeing 737-8FE VH-YFW entered service this morning operating VA912 Brisbane - Sydney.

[Rob R]

VH-ZPJ departed for Nashville yesterday and is the last of the 5 Ejets that were sold earlier this year. On Wednesday VH-ZPF flew to Marana AZ for long term storage, joining VH-ZPG and about 16 other Ejets parked there.

[Rob R]

ZPI is on it's way back from Nashville post heavy maintenance.

[Greg Hyde]

From VA Source

30th August 2016 - VH-ZPE Positions to Marana for Storage.
Withdrawn Embraer 190 VH-ZPE positioned Nashville - Marana for storage this morning as VA9948.

[Greg Hyde]

From Skyliners

Embraer 190 AR 190.00187 VH-ZPE Virgin Australia ferried 30aug16 BNA-MZJ for onward storage (+ 190.00209 VH-ZPJ 31aug16 BNA-ROW) ex PT-SDV

Note: ZPE (above) & ZPJ

[Jarod G]

I think VH-ZPK has left the fleet as well not 100% sure

[Shaal L]

from va source
25th August 2016 - VH-ZPK Departs for Nashville Maintenance.
Embraer 190 VH-ZPK departed Brisbane for maintenance at Nashville this morning initially routing Brisbane - Apia as VA9901. The aircraft will continue Apia - Honolulu - Van Nuys - Nashville

[Rob R]

Current plans have ZPK returning.

[Jarod G]

Oh it went for planned maintenance I thought it left the fleet does anyone know what will be the next E190 to leave the fleet

[Greg Hyde]

ZPE became N187NC on 31/08

[Jarod G]

ZPL departed for Nashville on the 5/10/16 while ZPK returned to service on the 28/9/16

[oliver c]

Shame about the 190s. Easily one of the more comfortable aircraft around.

Sad news about the E190, They were a nice aircraft and I will miss them from the Virgin Australia fleet!

[Greg Hyde]

Another B738 to Tiger

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/10/tigerair-australia-to-add-fourth-737-to-fleet-in-december/

[Greg Hyde]

from skyliners

Embraer 190 AR 190.00187 N187NC WFBNW ferried 20nov16 MZJ-BNA ex VH-ZPE

New owner maybe ?

[oliver c]

Sad to lose some 190's, they are infinitely more comfortable to fly on than a 737/A320 - I would happily change my schedule or pay a bit more to go on one, which I think is something Virgin realised because they usually seem to be $20-30 pricier on routes that have a mix of 737's.

Yeah, I agree, the E190 was a tonne more comfortable and I personally thought they were quieter too!!!

[Rob R]

ZPB will depart Monday for Nashville. ZPJ will ferry from Nashville to Pinal Airpark (MZJ) on Monday as well.

[Jarod G]

Does anyone know when VH-ZPL will return to the fleet

[Dave J]

It won't be returning... Lease return

[Jarod G]

Oh good more 737's for Coffs Harbour and other regional airports

[Jarod G]

Plus I thought ZPA was leaving instead of ZPB cause it is the oldest E190 in the fleet

[Rob R]

ZPA is the next one to go (early in the new year).

[Jarod G]

ZPT will definitely be last to leave the fleet

[Radi K]

is VH-ZPB coming back??

[Rob R]

No ZPB is not coming back. Any Ejet that leaves from now on will not be returning.

From January 2017 the current plan has one leaving the country every 6-8 weeks.

[Greg Hyde]

B737-800 VH-YFX 41013 was added to VA on 04/01.

[Jarod G]

Any news on another E190 to leave the fleet

[Rob R]

ZPM should be next, sometime this month. The rest should leave every 6-8 weeks.

[BaileyF]

Looks like ZPM doesn't have anything scheduled after tonight's YBCS-YBBN service (VOZ790), this could possibly be it's last pax service, could be wrong though.

Edit: If that is the case, then it should depart Australia within the next week.

[Rob R]

ZPM should depart on Monday or Tuesday.

[Stefan Perkas]

Looks like ZPM doesn't have anything scheduled after tonight's YBCS-YBBN service (VOZ790), this could possibly be it's last pax service, could be wrong though.

Edit: If that is the case, then it should depart Australia within the next week.

ZPM back flying today. BNE-MKY-BNE-ADL-BNE.

[Rob R]

ZPM will leave tomorrow. ZPC is the next one to go next month.

[Jarod G]

ZPM left today

[Jarod G]

Is there an order of what E190 will leave or is it just random E190's picked to leave Australia

[Jacob L]

Going at Random Im pretty sure. Some earlier E190's are still in the fleet, ZPI for example.

[John C]

It will be driven by maintenance requirements and ownership, it isn't random

[Radi K]

Virgin ceased all wetleased tiger flights a few days back.

VOR (tiger paint) re-positioned MEL-TSV presumably for a repaint.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVOR

[Rowan McKeever]

Except that VUD has continued to operate training sectors today (after not flying since Sunday).

[Lukas M]

So the Airbus is staying then for the time being? (or forever?)

[Radi K]

Except that VUD has continued to operate training sectors today (after not flying since Sunday).

VUD is already on the tiger aoc as i understand - not virgin crew.

[Rowan McKeever]

VUD is already on the tiger aoc as i understand - not virgin crew.
So it is... I hadn't noticed that.

[Rob R]

ZPC is the next E190 to leave and at this stage it will depart on 14 March.

[Radi K]

VOR painted all white- ferried TSV-MEL today.

[Yusef D]

and did a full day of VA domestic ops (operated by idle VAI crew)

But I'm most impressed that flightradar24 is already carrying a pic (taken in Syd) of the new whitetail (non-)livery!

[Tim Bowrey]

Us Sydney folk were all over it today along with ZPC's last visit(at this stage) ;)

[Rob R]

ZPC's departure has been delayed by 2-3 weeks.

[Greg Hyde]

From skyliners:

Embraer 190 AR 190.00193 N193NC NAC Aviatiom ferried 11mar17 FTW-BNA after paint into? ex VH-ZPF
Embraer 190 AR 190.00262 VH-ZPM Virgin Australia ferried 07mar17 BNA-CWF prior delivery to? ex PT-TLC
Embraer 190 AR 190.00195 N195EM NAC Aviation ferried 11mar17 MZJ-FTW ex VH-ZPG

Looks like 3 might have new homes.

[Jarod G]

Are all the Tigerair 737's are getting repainted

[Yusef D]

just VOR at this stage and just till May they say.

[Rob R]

ZPM will fly from Lake Charles to Nashville next week, after it's repaint.

[Jarod G]

Is Tigerair still getting the 737's when all the A320's leave

[Rob R]

Yes, Tigerait is still getting the 737's. TT Flight and Cabin Crew are still training on the B737. The whitetail (VOR) will return to TT by June.

[Radi K]

Virgin is removing all ATR 72-500s from the fleet and only keeping 6 ATR 72-600s. These will be based in the southern states only. The Brisbane base and the associated regional Queensland flying will cease (or be replaced by 'something' else apparently).

[Rob R]

ZPM has repositioned back to BNA following it's repaint in Lake Charles.

[Yusef D]

Virgin is removing all ATR 72-500s from the fleet and only keeping 6 ATR 72-600s. These will be based in the southern states only. The Brisbane base and the associated regional Queensland flying will cease (or be replaced by 'something' else apparently).


Alliance Fokkers.

[MarkR]

With Melbourne Hong Kong five days a week announced today and Beijing details still to come there are a lot of fleet changes happening!

[Jarden S]

Virgin is removing all ATR 72-500s from the fleet and only keeping 6 ATR 72-600s. These will be based in the southern states only. The Brisbane base and the associated regional Queensland flying will cease (or be replaced by 'something' else apparently).

It's the other way round they have 6 -500s and 8 -600s. If they close the BNE ATR base could see Bundaberg going amongst others. Not all ATR and E190 routes will be replaced by the Fokkers there won't have enough frames.

[Max C]

Bundy and Moranbah could still be served using the ATR that does PQQ-BNE.

VARA also do charters to Middlemount and Miles in the ATR.

[Greg Hyde]

From Skyliners:

Embraer 190 AR 190.00209 N777UN NAC Aviation ferried 27mar17 MZJ-FTW for paint into SA Airlink cs ex VH-ZPJ

[Greg Hyde]

The latest AA (May p69) says that:

ATRs FVH/FVI/FVL/FVM/FVU/FVX

will be withdrawn from service by July

[Brad Myer]

With those ATRs leaving what regional routes will be cut/reduced?

[Greg Hyde]

Brad,

See previous page.

[MarkR]

Brad,

See previous page.

There hasn't been any confirmation of routes cut.

[Brad Myer]

Brad,

See previous page.

The previous page tells us nothing.

Infact if you look at the VA schedules it still displays ATR flights on QLD routes all the way to December.

[NathanJ]

The previous page tells us nothing.

Infact if you look at the VA schedules it still displays ATR flights on QLD routes all the way to December.

Could it be that the remaining ATR's will cover the schedule due to higher utilisation? Hmmmmmm.

Also there's been a lot more e190/737 flying SYD-CBR-SYD for example which again would free up ATR's for use elsewhere in the network.

[MarkR]

Could it be that the remaining ATR's will cover the schedule due to higher utilisation? Hmmmmmm.

Also there's been a lot more e190/737 flying SYD-CBR-SYD for example which again would free up ATR's for use elsewhere in the network.

Higher utilisation seems to be the key, not unusual to see three ATRS doing nothing at BNE all day.

[NathanJ]

From what i've read elsewhere online the QLD ATR base will be closed but there's no time line attached to that information.

It's also quiet possible that alliance airlines will be positioned to assist with QLD flying but it's too early in the year for Virgin Australia's schedulers to know exactly what aircraft will be flying where?

I highly doubt VA will be ruthlessly cutting routes in QLD and cedeing it's network to others due to an aircraft reshuffle.

[John C]

Atr finishes in brisbane in july i think

[Jacob L]

VA are going with Alliance for some of the QLD flying, sort of what like QF does with Cobham with the 717 operation. That's just having a few problems with the ACCC at the moment. BNE base is shutting down and if the ATR's continue up there, crew will just be sourced from other bases

[Greg Hyde]

See previous page referred to VA flights being picked up by Alliance Fokkers.

As ATRs are removed they will be back filled with Alliance a/c.

Alliance around seven F70/100 frames (by last count) stored in Bratislava awaiting delivery.

Also a new b737 arrived in Brisbane on the 20/04.

http://yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=11444

[MarkR]

See previous page referred to VA flights being picked up by Alliance Fokkers.

As ATRs are removed they will be back filled with Alliance a/c.

I will be interested to see if the rumor bares fruit, doesnt make financial or operational sense from a security perspective, and in some cases makes no sense without airport upgrades.

[Greg Hyde]

Alliance starting flying VA services last year.

eg: Yesterdays VOZ1261 BNE to EMD was flown by a F70

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOZ1261

http://www.centralhighlands.qld.gov.au/about-council/news/alliance-airlines-flying-services-for-virgin-australia/

[MarkR]

Alliance starting flying VA services last year.

eg: Yesterdays VOZ1261 BNE to EMD was flown by a F70

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOZ1261

http://www.centralhighlands.qld.gov.au/about-council/news/alliance-airlines-flying-services-for-virgin-australia/

No one is saying they dont do VA services, heck they are even doing Tigers, point is they have not and will not replace all ports, they cannot from an infrastructure perspective nor from the EBA perspective for VARA. In terms of the EBA, thats Rocky, Gladstone, Moranbah and Bundy.

[Greg Hyde]

From VA Source

18th April 2017 - Withdrawn E190 VH-ZPI Leaves Australia.

Withdrawn Embraer 190 VH-ZPI positioned Brisbane - Apia as VA9901 this morning and will continue Apia - Honolulu - Van Nuys - Nashville.

[Greg Hyde]

From VA Source

26th April 2017 - VH-ZPC Leaves Australia.

Withdrawn Embraer 190 VH-ZPC, which has been at Brisbane since 11th March, positioned Brisbane - Apia as VA9901 this morning and will continue Apia - Honolulu - Van Nuys - Nashville.

[NathanJ]

Only 7 e190's left!

[Max C]

All announced today.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/04/virgin-to-end-turboprop-operations-in-queensland-as-atr-fleet-reduced/

On the EBA front, nothing stops Virgin from codesharing on another carriers services.

I can't see VA gifting that marketshare back to QF.

Interesting times ahead!

[MarkR]

On the EBA front, nothing stops Virgin from codesharing on another carriers services.

Think the ACCC might have something to say on that.

[Max C]

How?

If it's a commercial decision to stop services in their own right, and then subsequently codeshare, what's the problem?

Airlines do it all the time.

[MarkR]

How?

If it's a commercial decision to stop services in their own right, and then subsequently codeshare, what's the problem?

Airlines do it all the time.

The ACCC will not permit codeshares if it lessens competition, airlines do it all the time but it still needs to be authorised by the ACCC. Case in point was the recent SQ VA authorisation getting a shorter approval than sought by the airlines.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/virgin-codeshare-gets-accc-tick/news-story/aa23d6e0663f15240d3064e535c21711

VA are already facing an uphill battle getting their Alliance agreement for FIFO up with the ACCC

http://registers.accc.gov.au/content/trimFile.phtml?trimFileTitle=D16+168955.pdf&trimFileFromVersionId=1201639&trimFileName=D16+168955.pdf

[Rowan McKeever]

It's unlikely to be a code share - unless VA decides to put its code on a QLink service, which it won't, then there are no other scheduled carriers on any of those routes. What is more likely is that VA will wet lease more frames from Alliance (or Jetgo, if they had any sense, for the likes of Bundy) to operate these routes on its behalf, a la Emerald, Mt Isa & Cloncurry. In that case, the ACCC would be overreaching significantly if it had any involvement whatsoever.

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[MarkR]

. In that case, the ACCC would be overreaching significantly if it had any involvement whatsoever.

That arrangement would not work under the current EBA for quite a few of the QLD ports.

[Greg Hyde]

Tiger wet leased VH-XWO (F100) from Alliance due to Easter Capacity issues.

The aircraft operated on TT behalf on April 7,8,9.

See AA May 2017, p69

[Max C]

Unless the pilot council agrees.

Talks are already underway on that front.

[Greg Hyde]

It seems that JetGo could be used to get around the VARA 2015 EBA.

JetGo advertised for additional crews in March (expanding Brisbane) with a July start date.

[MarkR]

It seems that JetGo could be used to get around the VARA 2015 EBA.

JetGo advertised for additional crews in March (expanding Brisbane) with a July start date.

Could be a valid way to get around things, time will tell. VARA promised a lot and have delivered little.

[Adrian B]

Flew a return Mel - MQL on ZPK this weekend. any word on its departure?

[Rowan McKeever]

According to media reports out of Central Qld over the last couple of hours, it's confirmed that Alliance Airlines F70s will take over VA operations on Brisbane to Bundaberg, Gladstone, Moranbah & Port Macquarie. I would think that might also mean some SYD-PQQ services might move over to the F70s, but perhaps not and the services will be retimed?

https://www.news-mail.com.au/news/breaking-virgin-pulls-out-of-bundy-but-new-airline/3176606/

https://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/news/breaking-virgin-australia-ceases-gladstone-to-bris/3176610/?ref=hs

[Max C]

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/05/alliance-airlines-adds-new-routes-in-queensland-as-virgin-prepares-to-close-brisbane-atr-base/

Alliance to operate their own RPT services with VA codesharing.

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20170511/pdf/43j60pyvbhtc8n.pdf

ASX release includes schedules.

[Greg Hyde]

Wet lease as per ASX doco.

Alliance has 6xF100 & 1xF70 stored (last time I looked) in Europe.

It will be interesting to see how many come south to cover the new services.

[NathanJ]

Boom! I wonder how long before Virgin Australia proposes an investment & or take over of Alliance airlines.

[lloyd fox]

Greg it actually states 3 in the article above.There is plenty of slack in the BNE based F70's and F100's as i usually see a few hanging around.

So we know that the 3 F70's will have to do 7 BDB rtn flights a week,MOV 13 return flights a week,17 GLT rtn flights a week plus BNE-ROK not yet known how many and 7 BNE-PQQ rtn weekly.Currently there are 24 ATR weekly returns to ROK as well as the jets.

Last week QQ did 11 rtn flights to Cloncurry,THE ISA and MKY for VA according to ADSB.Also 12 rtn weekly flights to EMD as well.

Charters also last week were 9 rtn flights on FIFO as well.

[Greg Hyde]

thanks, Lloyd.

How many still have the Austrian livery ?

[Max C]

Read the ASX statement again Greg.

Alliance will operate to MOV/BDB/GLT/PQQ in their own right with VA codesharing.

The wet lease applies to the continuation of ISA/CNJ and now ROK flights. Just as they currently do to EMD, MKY.

[Greg Hyde]

Thks, Max,

My error, Jetgo doesn't get a look in

[Max C]

Jetgo wouldn't have the resources to expand that rapidly by July.

Alliance have already recruited crew for this.

[lloyd fox]

thanks, Lloyd.

How many still have the Austrian livery ?

There is 2 only over near the hangars and one is a F100.The other one is a F70 being used for parts.

[MarkR]

Boom! I wonder how long before Virgin Australia proposes an investment & or take over of Alliance airlines.

Kind of already down that track with the FIFO proposal, which is struggling to get past the ACCC.

Boggles the mind that upscaling a route with bigger, faster thirstier aircraft makes economic sense, VARA are clearly politicians, short term thinkers.

[Rowan McKeever]

Boggles the mind that upscaling a route with bigger, faster thirstier aircraft makes economic sense, VARA are clearly politicians, short term thinkers.

Had to laugh at one of the CQ media outlets, I think it was from Bundy, making a huge deal about the "new jets" coming to Bundy!!

[Greg Hyde]

Not much news in CQ.

Other than the occasional flood and cyclone.

[Greg Hyde]

Virgin Australia, Alliance Airlines charter partnership gets ACCC approval

Australia’s competition regulator has reversed course and cleared Virgin Australia/Virgin Australia Regional Airlines (VARA) and Alliance Airlines to work together in the charter and fly-in/fly-out (FIFO) market.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/05/virgin-australia-alliance-airlines-charter-partnership-gets-accc-approval/

[Greg Hyde]

Virgin Australia posts $69 million third quarter loss

Virgin Australia has posted a $69.0 million loss after tax for the third quarter of the 2017 financial year, pushing its losses after tax for the nine months to March 31 to $90.6 million.

...

Part of that debt reduction has come from the phased withdrawal of its Embraer 190 fleet, which has comprised a combination of leased and owned aircraft. In the trading update Virgin Australia said two of its six owned E190s had been sold subsequent to March 31, while the remaining four owned aircraft are contracted to be sold by June 30. All remaining E190s are due to be withdrawn from service by the end of the 2017 calendar year.

Virgin Australia is also rationalising its fleet through the disposal of all six ATR 72-500 and two ATR 72-600 turboprops, leaving just six ATR 72-600s in service. That will also allow the closure of the Brisbane ATR crew base.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/05/virgin-australia-posts-69-million-third-quarter-loss/

[MarkR]

Virgin Australia, Alliance Airlines charter partnership gets ACCC approval

Australia’s competition regulator has reversed course and cleared Virgin Australia/Virgin Australia Regional Airlines (VARA) and Alliance Airlines to work together in the charter and fly-in/fly-out (FIFO) market.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/05/virgin-australia-alliance-airlines-charter-partnership-gets-accc-approval/

Must have got the message driven home that not approving the alliance would lessen competition!

[lloyd fox]

From 19 June the VA booking system shows 31 departures a week BNE-ROK with F100's .This is of course earlier than the planned MOV,GLT,BDB,PQQ routes which will change over on 18 July.

[Rowan McKeever]

Re: Tigerair B738s:

* VH-VUB returned to revenue service today, Friday 16/6;
* VH-VUD returned to revenue service on Tuesday 6/6;
* VH-VOR remains operating for VA; and
* VH-VOY appears to remain in storage at this point.

[Raymond Rowe]

Re: Tigerair B738s:

* VH-VUB returned to revenue service today, Friday 16/6;
* VH-VUD returned to revenue service on Tuesday 6/6;
* VH-VOR remains operating for VA; and
* VH-VOY appears to remain in storage at this point.

Is that with Tiger or VA.

[Rowan McKeever]

Is that with Tiger or VA.
VUB & VUD back in TT ops.

VOR is in VA ops still.

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[Rob R]

The first ATR72 to be removed, VH-FVH ferried to NSN last week. End of lease maintenance will be carried out in NSN.

[Grahame Hutchison]

http://www.16right.com/Aircraft-Images/displayimage.php?image=VH-VOR D500-20170403-087.jpg

http://www.16right.com/Aircraft-Images/displayimage.php?image=VH-VUD D500-20170403-040.jpg

[Lukas M]

Are the Tiger 73's being flown by Tiger or Virgin Pilots?

[Mick F]

Should be Tiger now, because apparently they have finally got the 737's approved on their AOC.

Mick

[Yusef D]

TT pilots now fly TT 737 ops.

VH-VOR remains on the VAI AOC flown by Aus and NZ VAI pilots

[Jarden S]

Unless someone new can bail them out it might be all over for VA.

[Rob R]

Tiger taking those clapped out 73s... Its not going to end well.

VA/TT will be dead in 2 years.

And you base this statement on what facts?

[Rob R]

Unless someone new can bail them out it might be all over for VA.

Do you have any factual information to back this up?

[NathanJ]

Maybe all the armchair CEOs can get together and take the airline over and show us how it should be done lol.

[MarkR]

Tiger taking those clapped out 73s... Its not going to end well.

13 year old aircraft fully owned is clapped out???? I think the fleet commonality and lack of airframe costs will only help TT become more profitiable than it currently is. TT only became profitable in the first place under VA full ownership.

[Rob R]

13 year old aircraft fully owned is clapped out???? I think the fleet commonality and lack of airframe costs will only help TT become more profitiable than it currently is. TT only became profitable in the first place under VA full ownership.

Spot on and as the MAX numbers build up in VA, some of the newer (YF's and YI's) will eventually move to TT.

[Yusef D]

VA has said they want to keep some 738s to third 6 check, 18 years! That's getting a little mature for my liking, when the company fleet plan so far is built on deriving high utilisation from fresh reliable airframes. VA isn't QF. The latter has extensive in house heavy maint facilities and experience. This concerns me. Hopefully (for me) the airframes will age at TT.

It'll be a long time before TT get Yankee Foxtrot anything. There are still Victor series airframes to hand down (including BZG). Yankee Indias even less likely as they're optimised for longer international flights, and are a little heavier.

[Yusef D]

Anyone remember what regos come after YF... runs out? I seem to recall YT. Looks like several more -800s coming before 8 max. and only 1 or 2 YF regos left. YFY coming dow the production line now.

[Rob R]

VA has said they want to keep some 738s to third 6 check, 18 years! That's getting a little mature for my liking, when the company fleet plan so far is built on deriving high utilisation from fresh reliable airframes. VA isn't QF. The latter has extensive in house heavy maint facilities and experience. This concerns me. Hopefully (for me) the airframes will age at TT.

It'll be a long time before TT get Yankee Foxtrot anything. There are still Victor series airframes to hand down (including BZG). Yankee Indias even less likely as they're optimised for longer international flights, and are a little heavier.

But there are plans to expand TT into short haul international, so the YI frames will assist this.

Looks like the experts thing VA are on the right track.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/06/sp-global-ratings-lifts-virgin-australia-outlook-from-negative-to-stable/

[Ellis Taylor]

Anyone remember what regos come after YF... runs out? I seem to recall YT. Looks like several more -800s coming before 8 max. and only 1 or 2 YF regos left. YFY coming dow the production line now.

Virgin only has three more -800s on order and four will come off lease in 2019, so it should I don't think running out of regos will be an issue.

While having one fleet across TT/VA should bring about strong ongoing savings, particularly on MRO, dumping TT's A320 fleet early is going to cost them a pretty penny, especially as most of them are early in their leases.

The sky isn't falling in at VA. Standard & Poor's upgraded their outlook on them from negative to stable, and expects that their profits will start to rise soon as the capacity rises wash through. The shareholders are committed and have backed the better business programme, which is starting to deliver. She'll be right mate.

[lloyd fox]

BAC monthly summaries has the next 2 737's on delivery on 23 July and 6 SEP from BFI.

Cheers.

[Radi K]

Virgin is one major shock away from collapse; it just doesn't have the capital in the bank to sustain a SARS/Terrorist Attack/Fuel Shock. The departure of John Thomas is not good at all.

[Rob R]

More positive news.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/virgin-australia-expects-to-be-cash-positive-again-shortly-2017-7

[Greg McDonald]

Can't afford to have Virgin fail. If they do it will just be a green light for Qantas to rape us as they used to do....

[Jarden S]

What if the existing shareholders don''t want to pump in another $500m? Where would Virgin get the money to cover for the next operating loss. Banks won't give them a dime it is looking very dicey for them now!!!

[MarkR]

What if the existing shareholders don''t want to pump in another $500m? Where would Virgin get the money to cover for the next operating loss. Banks won't give them a dime it is looking very dicey for them now!!!

They have agreed to $852m last year, no what if to contemplate, especially as that raising was completely underwritten. Non cash impairment and costs will be $400m by 2019 as a result of the restructure, and by that time they forecast $300m gain in net free cash flow savings.

Debt is down (from 7x to 4.2x in three years), they had record cash holdings of $1.5b at the end of last year and $1.3b at the end of q3 2016-17.

[Yusef D]

VH-YFY delivery due 24 July.

[Brad Myer]

Hey,

Looking through the VA schedules, I can't find any E-190s scheduled from later this month.

Do we know a date when they all finish up?

[Greg Hyde]

Any udpates on the ATR withdrawl ?

[lloyd fox]

Greg the BAC monthly movements summary has one leaving for Nelson NZ tomorrow from BNE.

There were 3 ATR's parked near the MD-82's today.

ALSO i have been told Moranbah is staying ATR ????

Today there were 11 Alliance Jets at BNE getting ready for the new routes on Monday.

[Brad Myer]

Pretty clear that not even VA knows whats going on...

The website has now reverted back to ATR for Moranbah with a liitle note saying along the lines of "passengers maybe reaccomadated on Alliance Airlines flights"

What a mess!

[Greg Hyde]

I had a look at FVI,L,M,U,X and they all seem to be still operational ?

[Max C]

Jet ops into Moranbah are still pending airport operator approvals.

[Zac M]

FVL will depart to Nelson on Tuesday morning from BNE as VOZ9948, departure approx 0930.

[Greg Hyde]

FVL has departed the country, thks Zac

[Rowan McKeever]

Do we know where (if anywhere) the 8x ATRs will head once VA is done with them? Do they have other airlines lined up or will they just be stored at NSN for now?

[Yusef D]

Storage. Nelson isn't exactly on the way to anywhere.