Tiger announced ADL as second Hub

[Lukas M]

Tiger Airways has received initial indications that it will get approval to operate routes into New Zealand as the carrier prepares to announce its second Australia hub. Speaking to
Travel Today at the Australian Pacific Aviation Outlook Summit, Tiger group chief executive Tony Davis said that while the carrier did not currently have approval to operate trans-Tasman routes, he was “confident” of being able to secure rights. “There is a lot of interest among the New Zealand tourist community and the airports. I am confident of being able to convince the governments of the need for more capacity,” he said. Tiger has lobbied the Australian government for rights to fly international routes from Australia, but Davis said themain priority is the opening up of near Asian neighbours such as Indonesia and Malaysia rather than New Zealand, which could be approved bilaterally. Shelley Roberts, managing director of Tiger’s Australianoperations would not be drawn on thelocation of the low cost carrier’s second Australian base, but said an announcement was due imminently. Davis, meanwhile said it was “clearly not Sydney, or else we would have made it here today”. Davis is expected to be at the announcement, which could even be made this week.
-TravelToday


Where would they fly to Malaysia from Oz in an A320, Cairns???
Finally! any day now we will know the new base seeing Mr Davis is around for now....Any guesses BNE? OOL? CNS? ADL?

[Mal M]

OOL will more than likely be the 2nd base. I doubt they will come to brisbane

[Steve Jones]

I would say OOL no.1 in the running, with ADL 2nd. ADL odds probably shortened now Jetstar has closed their base there??

Time will tell - TT keep their cards closer to their chest than anyone (for good reason!), so I suspect no-one knows yet, not even the successful airport.

[Lukas M]

Is it possible at OOL for 2 A320's based there, and with the Melbourne Ops, possibly even 3 at one time around at Tiger's Little terminal?. From personal experience it would only seem 1 or mabye a Second A320 could actually fit. Does Adelaide also have enough spare gates also?

[Marty H]

Is it possible at OOL for 2 A320's based there, and with the Melbourne Ops, possibly even 3 at one time around at Tiger's Little terminal?. From personal experience it would only seem 1 or mabye a Second A320 could actually fit. Does Adelaide also have enough spare gates also?

All four have been on the ground at once in Melbourne they park them top to tail.

[Lukas M]

All four have been on the ground at once in Melbourne they park them top to tail.
Sorry, Meant Gold Coast, not MEL. As in say they had 2 A320's based at OOL, and combined with the 3 daily MEL-OOL service, there could potentially be 3 A320's parked at OOL. Of course with Mineralogy and so on, there isn't much space left there

[Marty H]

Sorry, Meant Gold Coast, not MEL. As in say they had 2 A320's based at OOL, and combined with the 3 daily MEL-OOL service, there could potentially be 3 A320's parked at OOL. Of course with Mineralogy and so on, there isn't much space left there


Not really because if they used OOL as a hub then they would have early morning departures.

[Grant G]

Hey guys,

Last time I went past the Tiger Terminal at OOL, there was no Mineralogy aircraft there, unless is has since returned.

There is plenty of room at the Tiger Terminal, this was originally where Virgin started flights and they had no problems getting 4 aircraft in.

My vote is OOL to be the next hub, with possible OOL- DRW flights, OOL - CNS flights.

NO flights operate North from OOL, No-one has ever had domestic flights Between OOL - DRW and OOL - CNS, except when Australian operated OOL - CNS - JAPAN.

[Steve Jones]

Add to that OOL-ADL, OOL-CBR, maybe an overnight OOL-PER (dropped by Virgin some time ago) and also OOL-HBA. Quite a few new opportunities.

Then again, from ADL you could offer PER, DRW, CBR, OOL, MCY, HBA, LST, ASP... At least a few times a week. Even more opportunities than OOL I would think?

[Steve Jones]

Tiger have also just announced that all DRW flying will cease end October (DRW-MEL and DRW-SIN). JQ seems to have won that round...

[Scott Loveday]

Tiger axes flights to Darwin
31st July 2008, 20:48 WST

Budget airline Tiger Airways has axed its services to Darwin from Melbourne and Singapore, blaming high fuel and operating costs in Darwin for the decision.

Services to Darwin will be suspended from October 26, Tiger chief operating officer Steve Burns says.

The costs of flying to Darwin were the highest of all the airports the airline served, he said in a statement.

"This is an important point to stress: combined airport and fuel costs in Darwin cost more than any of the 27 airports that the airline serves across Australia and Asia. It is just incompatible for a true low-fare airline to operate to such a high cost destination," he said.

The airline might re-establish services to Darwin "if costs become more reasonable", he said.

Flights booked prior to October 26 will go ahead.

No Australian domestic flights have been booked to Darwin beyond that date.

Tiger will offer a full refund to international passengers booked after October 26, he said.

-The West

[Andi O]

And the winner is ........ ADELAIDE!
2 A319 based there from Jan 2009.

[Jason Carruthers]

I heard today from a grossly unreliable source (An elderly lady in the supermarket who knows someone in a travel agent in fact) that Tiger are pulling out of OOL from October. I am 99.9% she was told that DRW was closing and she got confused or is there something I don't know about?

Now that Tiger have selected ADL as hub #2 no doubt they will move into the former domestic facility.

I suppose we could see

ADL-CBR
ADL-OOL
ADL-MKY
ADL-CNS?
ADL-PER
ADL-DRW
ADL-ASP
ADL-HBA?

[Justin L]

Tiger Airways to make Adelaide its second base
JESSICA HURT, TRAVEL EDITOR
August 05, 2008 11:30am

SOUTH Australians will be able to access more direct flights after low-cost airline Tiger Airways announced Adelaide would be its second home base.

The airline, which is based in Melbourne, will initially base two of its new A319s in Adelaide with corresponding crews and support staff from January.

It is still considering which routes to fly to from SA.

Full article below:
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24131319-913,00.html

What new routes are likely do you think? ADL-NT/WA routes? Also, I wonder if the talk of reopening the old terminal as a budget terminal will resurface?

[Steve Jones]

If I was a betting man, in addition to ADL-MEL (ops by MEL based aircraft), I think they will just connect the dots. Thus potential routes are: PER (daily), OOL (daily), CBR (daily), ASP (3x a week), MCY (4 times a week - recently dropped by JQ), and maybe HBA and/or LST a few times a week each. That would probably use the 2 aircraft.

[Justin L]

Tiger are holding a vote on their website asking users where they want them to fly from ADL. You can select two destinations and then where you are from.

I went for SYD and BNE (My family is in ADL and I live in SYD, and have cousins in BNE who would love cheap fares back to ADL).

In the "Where are you from" pull-down menu though they didn't have Sydney, so I just put in my hometown of Adelaide.

http://www.tigerairways.com/votenow/Index.php

[Jason Carruthers]

I wonder if Tiger will seriously consider my suggestion of Port Lincoln and Kangaroo Island :p:D




Jason

[Marty H]

I wonder if Tiger will seriously consider my suggestion of Port Lincoln and Kangaroo Island :p:D




Jason

Pt Lincoln would be viable but unsure if the airport can handle a A319, know there were size issues with DJ's E-jets getting in there.

REX are very over priced as they have it all to themselves.

[Rhys Xanthis]

The runway at port lincon appears to be ~1500m mark, well short of the MTOW take off distance of the A319 at ~1950m (from wiki).

[lloyd fox]

Justin Hi,

Dont hold your breath re their survey on where you would like to fly.

When Tiger planned to start Australian services BNE lead this survey with 17% which was more than MEL, but no flights came to our city and also Bne was just pipped at the post to MEL for the initial base however BNE has no flights still.

Unfortunately i hold no trust in this survey.

Brissie would love Tiger flights and would be a perfect hub with flights to all over Australia and NZ and Pacific Islands.

[Justin L]

Justin Hi,

Dont hold your breath re their survey on where you would like to fly.

When Tiger planned to start Australian services BNE lead this survey with 17% which was more than MEL, but no flights came to our city and also Bne was just pipped at the post to MEL for the initial base however BNE has no flights still.

Unfortunately i hold no trust in this survey.

Brissie would love Tiger flights and would be a perfect hub with flights to all over Australia and NZ and Pacific Islands.

Hi Lloyd. Yeah I agree with you. I'm not expecting ADL-SYD flights, more likely will be -ASP and -PER in my opinion. But may as well vote if the opportunity is there! With NZ flights being reported for Tiger at some stage in the future, maybe there could be some cheap options out of ADL as well. When the new terminal opened there were rumours of Freedom doing the ADL-CHC route.

[NickN]

Surely Sydney would already be too competitive for Tiger to fit in.

[Justin L]

Surely Sydney would already be too competitive for Tiger to fit in.

Most likely I think so. And Tiger have stated that airports such as Sydney don't fit their low-cost model. But, in saying that JQ are cutting one of their two daily SYD-ADL flights and DJ only have 5 daily (some days 6) so there may be some room. ADL-MEL now has four carriers (QF/DJ/JQ/TT) now that JQ will shift ADL-AVV to ADL-MEL.

My SYD vote was purely for personal reasons. I would love to see it but I doubt I will.

[James F]

Maybe an ADL-NTL link may work? NTL-MEL was crowded with DJ and JQ, so they pulled out. But ADL-NTL may be an option for them, especially if they could make a "connection" (collect bags, recheck etc) through to PER. A lot of mining people currently going between NTL and PER via SYD/MEL/BNE etc, would be interested in another option, albeit on a LCC.

cheers
james

[Jason Carruthers]

A lot of mining people currently going between NTL and PER via SYD/MEL/BNE etc, would be interested in another option, albeit on a LCC.


I doubt miners would be too keen on that idea. If I were a miner I'd take QF/DJ via BNE/MEL anyday rather then buying two separate tickets and rechecking in ADL on TT.



Jason

[Marty H]

Maybe an ADL-NTL link may work? NTL-MEL was crowded with DJ and JQ, so they pulled out. But ADL-NTL may be an option for them, especially if they could make a "connection" (collect bags, recheck etc) through to PER. A lot of mining people currently going between NTL and PER via SYD/MEL/BNE etc, would be interested in another option, albeit on a LCC.

cheers
james

Unfortunately you wont see TT doing 'connecting' baggage, will increase their costs too much and will remain a point to point carrier.

[Steve Jones]

Tiger have also launched a second daily MEL-PER flight from 1 Nov. Times are slightly nicer, getting into PER at 1900 and turning around at 1930 to be back in Melbourne at 0100.

Apparently they have some $99 fares on sale to celebrate

[Lukas M]

Mabye the ADL base could take some ADL-MEL-ADL sectors, leaving Melbourne with some extra time to expand more?

[Lukas M]

Tiger have announced that they are going 6DAILY on MEL-ADL beggining 15th December. Times are now quite flexible and have 29,000 seats for $29.

http://peanuts.aero/low_cost_airline_news/airline/13281/59/Tiger+Airways+to+increase+capacity+between+Melbour ne+and+Adelaide

[Steve Jones]

The Tiger website showed Adelaide-Canberra and Adelaide-Alice Springs on their announcements banner last night (nothing on frequency or schedules), but it has since been taken down again... Someone jumped the gun?

[Lukas M]

I also saw that. Might have been for next weeks banner mabye?

They usually drag on with announcements and so........

[Lukas M]

Update:
-MEL-MCY moving to daily from 3weekly
-MEL-ASP moving to 4weekly from 3weekly
-MEL-PER moving to 3daily on Saturday, proving an additional Afternoon Service. On Sunday's there has been a retimes Sunday flight to provide a 6am Departure to Perth

New A320 coming online Mid December...

Announcements on additional services from Melbourne and the initial route network from Adelaide will be made shortly

[Justin L]

TT will fly from ADL to HBA, OOL, PER and ASP from March 2009.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/tiger-airways-announces-new-flights/2008/08/28/1219516641989.html

[Lukas M]

Perth will be the overnight run, while I thought MCY might have got a go as well as CBR....
As their ADL base starts Thurday 12th Feb, I would say more routes to come
Anyway, good luck to them...

[Steve Jones]

there will need to be some changes to the MEL schedule because as it stands they would need 3 aircraft to run the current schedule...

As far as I can see it, the rotations look like this

AIRCRAFT 1
0600-0745 ADL-MEL
0815-0905 MEL-ADL
0935-1040 ADL-ASP - 3X WEEKLY
0935-1200 ADL-HBA - 4X WEEKLY
1110-1415 ASP-ADL - 3X WEEKLY
1230-1355 HBA-ADL - 4X WEEKLY
??
1845-2030 ADL-MEL
2100-2150 MEL-ADL


AIRCRAFT 2
0145-0605 PER-ADL
0735-0930 ADL-OOL
1000-1255 OOL-ADL
??
2215-0005 ADL-PER

The complicating thing is the 3rd MEL service operated by the ADL based aircraft, that is
1310-1455 ADL-MEL
1525-1615 MEL-ADL

I'm guessing this service will be pushed back 15mins so that it backs up after the return from OOL.

If this happens, there is still room for another 2 daily flights somewhere... As stated earlier, I think MCY and CBR would be strong contenders. The problem is I don't think there is time to slot a MCY return flight into the remaining gaps in the schedule, but there definitely would be time for an afternoon/evening CBR service (maybe scheduled 1715-1930/2000-2115 to fit after a re-timed MEL and before the PER flight?).

OK, enough hypothesising - time for me to stop... :)

[Justin L]

Further new route announcements expected out of Adelaide soon as well as looking for a third base with two aircraft based there.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24257748-23349,00.html


Tiger seeks third base as it pushes for 30-plane network
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | August 29, 2008

SHELLEY Roberts, the Australian boss of Tiger Airways, remains committed to establishing a network of 30 planes in Australia and says she is about to start seeking the airline's third base.

Tiger yesterday unveiled an additional four routes for two Airbus A319s based in Adelaide and said more route announcements from the South Australian capital were expected soon.

The new routes include a four-times weekly service to Hobart and three times weekly service to Alice Springs, as well as daily flights to Perth and the Gold Coast.

These are in addition to 39 weekly services between Melbourne and Adelaide.

Fares out of Adelaide start at $39.95 one-way, inclusive of taxes and charges. The airline says it is recruiting staff to be based locally.

The arrival of the A319s, now scheduled to start flying at the beginning of March, will bring Tiger's Australian-based fleet to seven aircraft.

Tiger earlier this week also announced it would add flights from Melbourne to Alice Springs and the Sunshine Coast in December following the arrival of its fifth A320.

The expansion has been slower than originally anticipated and has included false starts in Darwin and Newcastle.

Ms Roberts, Tiger's Australia managing director, said getting the Adelaide network announcement out of the way would allow her to search for a third base, probably also starting with two planes.

She was reluctant to say when the base would be established but was not ruling out NSW as part of the investigation. The third base would be a key focus over the coming months, she said.

"I'm going to start working with potential airport partners to understand what they can offer and what the economics of those routes are as soon was the announcements are over with," she said.

Ms Roberts refused to be drawn on claims the airline's Australian operations had already lost $23 million.

"We're very happy with the performance in Australia," she said.

"Our planes are full, I'm very clear on the strategy, I've got a business plan, I'm working to that business plan and we expect to have 30 planes in Australia over the next seven years.

"So we've come here with the aim of growing. We are very clear that it's a marathon not a sprint and we're continuing to execute our plan."

Ms Roberts said the airline's sustainability came back to the fundamental design of the business model.

"It's the network structure. It's going to airports, where we know we can turn around in 30 minutes," she said.

Tiger Aviation has also run into opposition against its plans to launch a joint venture in Korea, with local airlines petitioning the Government to reject the proposal.

Asked if she expected a windfall of additional aircraft if Korea was delayed, Ms Roberts said: "We do have deliveries scheduled for the group over the course of the next year and my job is to provide the business case to bring as many of those to Australia as is feasible."

Ms Roberts said Tiger would continue pushing for changes to Australia's bilateral system that would allow it to fly overseas.

[Lukas M]

One would think Tiger are starting to become a little bit of a threat to the likes of JQ/DJ, with the new additions of...
MEL-LST double daily..
MEL-HBA 4daily
just Across the Tasman of course...

[Daniel M]

One would think Tiger are starting to become a little bit of a threat to the likes of JQ/DJ, with the new additions of...
MEL-LST double daily..
MEL-HBA 4daily

haha

[Marty H]

haha

My thoughts exactly, unless they are getting bums on seats (their main source of revenue) then they wont be a threat to anything.

[James Smith]

Still only daily services to both Hobart and Launceston from Melbourne up to 28 March, 2009. Hardly a DJ/JQ busting schedule.

The only real competetive schedules are from Melbourne to Adelaide which is connecting their two bases.

[Marty H]

Still only daily services to both Hobart and Launceston from Melbourne up to 28 March, 2009. Hardly a DJ/JQ busting schedule.

The only real competetive schedules are from Melbourne to Adelaide which is connecting their two bases.

Will be hard to crack the stranglehold DJ have on the Tassie market,the freight and pax we put into and out of Tassie is very good.

[Kain C]

Originally Posted by James Smith View Post
Still only daily services to both Hobart and Launceston from Melbourne up to 28 March, 2009. Hardly a DJ/JQ busting schedule.

The only real competetive schedules are from Melbourne to Adelaide which is connecting their two bases.

Try triple daily weekdays, double daily weekends for HBA-MEL from mid December, plus an extra daily starting mid February, plus the four a week HBA-ADL starting in March. I think that up to 5 a day from Hobart is more of a DJ/JQ busting schedule than you think! (Well certainly JQ busting, as DJ do very very nicely out ouf HBA - fares are always nearly twice as high as opposition yet they fill them anyway!) Oh, and LST-MEL goes to double daily weekdays from mid December too. Would have been easier to make HBA the second base!!!

:)