QF Schedule changes

[Scott Loveday]

G'day folks,

I noticed QF have changed the QF78/77 timing for the next week or so (in fact all of the PER/SIN services for that matter).

Is this just for A/C maintenance purposes or is there a bigger plan? 04:40 departure from PER is not friendly.

Cheers,
Scott

[Ben O]

This is due to QPA being out of service for repairs.

Things should be back to normal by the 10th NOV.

[Scott Loveday]

Cheers Ben

[Luke Chittock]

G'day Scotty/Ben et al

The rescheduled QF77 flights will actually ops up to and including 30NOV.

Along with minor time changes on the QF72/71/78 flights, this allows just the one A330 to ops the double daily PER-SIN-PER flights.

QF077 PERSIN 0440/090
QF072 SINPER 1020/1630
QF071 PERSIN 1750/2210
QF078 SINPER 2050/0300+1

A few weeks ago QF B73H were operating on various PER-SIN-PER flights in lieu of A330 a/c!! (not an ideal situation for J class pax)

Regards

Luke/PER

[Ben O]

Looks like it has been extended.

QF52 SIN-BNE is also changed by around 3hrs. 0915am BNE arrival.

Thanks

[Anthony T]

QF071 PERSIN 1750/2210
QF078 SINPER 2050/0300+1


Neat trick if they can pull it off:p

[Ben O]

While we are at it here are some other up coming changes:
Dates are always subject to change.

International:

*JAN 9th 2009: A332s replace A333s on all SYD-PEK-SYD services.
*JAN 16th 2009: QF25/26 MEL-AKL-LAX vv reverts back to an all B744 operation.
*JAN 16th 2009: A333s replace B763s on all SYD-CGK-SYD services.
*JAN 18th 2009: A332s replace A333s on SYD-PVG-SYD and MEL-PVG-MEL routes.

QF19/20 SYD-MNL-SYD apparently goes A333 sometime in JAN09 as well.

Domestic

*FEB 26th 2009: B73Hs replace leased Alliance F100s on PER-PHE-PER route.

Feel free to add any other changes.

[Gareth U]

Neat trick if they can pull it off:p

I think that's where the BNE aircraft comes into play.

[Tom PER]

Slightly off topic but does anyone know if -EBJ and -EBK are staying in their current domestic config long-term?

Seems odd having these 2 A332's dedicated to domestics when every other flight is a B737 or B763 I can't see the logic especially with no PTV's in Y. Unlike the B743's from a pax perspective I can't see the attraction to fly on them.

Surely they could of just upgraded J class in a handful of B763's and then use these 2 A332's on International flights (same as EBG, EBH and EBI) to replace the B763's which current operate Internationally such as PER-NRT and BNE-SIN.

Just seems a waste of 2 new A332's too me.

[Ben O]

to replace the B763's which current operate Internationally such as PER-NRT and BNE-SIN.

BNE-SIN-BNE is ops by A333.

From end of JAN09 the only long B763 intl routes will be SYD-HNL and PER-NRT.

[Ben O]

VH-EBJ and EBK will be joined by more domestic A332s once the B787s begin service with JQ and the JQ A332s move back to QF.

QF has 1 more A332 on the way VH-EBL. I have heard it could be in Intl or Dom config, or even end up at JQ due to the B787 delays??

[Arthur T]

I just concern over QF is converting 73Hs and 332s to these long haul flights, will they refurnish their interior to meet their International Flight standards?

I think the next lots of QF 73Hs should deploy international product such as PTV and Premium Econ instead of Business class, that I am sure Pacific and PER - SIN can be better off in addition to better service.

[Michael Morrison]

I just concern over QF is converting 73Hs and 332s to these long haul flights, will they refurnish their interior to meet their International Flight standards?

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The 332's on the above mentioned flights all have Skybed and PTV's in economy. It is only the 2 x domestic configured planes that don't.

I presume the 332 coming in DEC will be in Internaitonal config, otherwise how are they getting a 332 to ops PVG etc to free up the 333 to fly to MNL/CGK etc?

[Ben O]

I presume the 332 coming in DEC will be in Internaitonal config, otherwise how are they getting a 332 to ops PVG etc to free up the 333 to fly to MNL/CGK etc?

The 332s will be freed up off the QF25/26 service once that reverts back to all B744 and put on PVG/PEK. The current Intl 332s also do a bit of domestic flying atm which will prob stop as well.

No flying has been published for the next A332 VH-EBL

[Andrew M]

*JAN 16th 2009: QF25/26 MEL-AKL-LAX vv reverts back to an all B744 operation.


I have a LAX-AKL-MEL flight in Early March, this date better not slip back again as I don't feel like spending those hours in a very poor J seat!

[Michael Morrison]

I have a LAX-AKL-MEL flight in Early March, this date better not slip back again as I don't feel like spending those hours in a very poor J seat!

Not much difference between the A330 and 744 J seat.

[Jon Harris]

Not much difference between the A330 and 744 J seat

Hi

I've flown both on the 333 and 744 looked the same - what are the differences? Are they slightly narrower width on the 332/333?

Also is their any difference between the upperdeck and maindeck Skybeds on the 744 and also the ones in nose of the 2 class 744s?

Thanks,

[Andrew M]

I don't mind the A332/3 in international configuration, I thought the 743 still flew the odd MEL-AKL-LAX sectors ?

[Tim C]

I think the next lots of QF 73Hs should deploy international product such as PTV and Premium Econ instead of Business class, that I am sure Pacific and PER - SIN can be better off in addition to better service.



How is that? PER-SIN double daily is operated by 333 aircraft only. How is a int configured 73H going to add better service to the route?

[Gareth U]

Jon H -

There is, in fact, slight differences in Skybed seats. Whilst I do not know if it affects the cushion width, I do know the seat unit is narrower on 332/333 and A Zone on 2-cl 744.

Look for the water bottle stowage being in a different location.

[Jon Harris]

Thanks Gareth!

[Ben O]

Hi,

Doesnt look like MNL will get a A333 after all.

An A333 has been scheduled on the daily lunch time QF577/566 SYD-PER-SYD service.

Unless things change again I cant see how MNL will score an A333.

[Michael Morrison]

Hi,

An A333 has been scheduled on the daily lunch time QF577/566 SYD-PER-SYD service.

Perhaps an indication that VH-EBL will be in international config? Ie freeing up a 333 to operate this route?

[Gareth U]

An A333 has been scheduled on the daily lunch time QF577/566 SYD-PER-SYD service.

It baffles me that the airline is so content to operate aircraft which offer such vastly different products on the same route. I understand the occasional equipment sub or aircraft being rotated through the network for maintainence. This will always be the case. This just gets me when it is done to such a large degree.

Customers pay the same fare for a 'lucky dip' of sorts. I do not see how this is justified, especially for J/C. It really does more damage than good. It makes customers upset when the get the domestic product, not happy when they score the international one.

In my opinion Qantas needs a mid-haul product for EC-Perth, Tasman and perhaps CGK, MNL and HNL. Think Dreamtime J seats and PTVs throughout. Could be used on some 73Hs, too.

[Andrew M]

Domestic is getting a revamp next year

[Michael Morrison]

It baffles me that the airline is so content to operate aircraft which offer such vastly different products on the same route. I understand the occasional equipment sub or aircraft being rotated through the network for maintainence. This will always be the case. This just gets me when it is done to such a large degree.oo.

Sort of like what they are doing on AKL-LAX currently - dreamtime and skybed!

[Gareth U]

Sort of like what they are doing on AKL-LAX currently - dreamtime and skybed!

I think the situation is worse... The difference between a converter seat or Millenium to Skybed is bigger than Dreamtime to Skybed. And, like I said, it is making customers angry when they get the domestic product - there is no feeling of being 'lucky' to have scored a Skybed.

Andrew, by 'revamp' do you mean improvements? I ask because it seems alot is being taken away, not added, to the domestic product. We have just lost toilet flowers in J, spirits in Y and now no bars loaded in Y before 11am on short and medium flights. I am an advocate of change, even if that means 'efficiencies'. But the term 'revamp' worries me in the current climate, especially if it is not handled well.

[Kelvin R]

Have many people commented about the lack of flowers, spirits and booze before 11am in Y? I know I would swap all of that and the inflight magazine for a PTV. Just personal preference of course but when you have flown 8 times in the same month you loose interest in the magazine and mainscreen TV.

[Andrew M]

Andrew, by 'revamp' do you mean improvements? I ask because it seems alot is being taken away, not added, to the domestic product. We have just lost toilet flowers in J, spirits in Y and now no bars loaded in Y before 11am on short and medium flights. I am an advocate of change, even if that means 'efficiencies'. But the term 'revamp' worries me in the current climate, especially if it is not handled well.

Addition of products, it has been talked about on here before from memory.

The new 738 should come with PTV's in all classes and an upgraded/better J product along with a refit of some of the 763. As far as I know it's still planned but depends on how bad the economy gets as well

[Arthur T]

Addition of products, it has been talked about on here before from memory.

The new 738 should come with PTV's in all classes and an upgraded/better J product along with a refit of some of the 763. As far as I know it's still planned but depends on how bad the economy gets as well

I agree with you, especially Virgin Blue is going to have free PTVs + Food + Drink + Luggage + Lounge service, for a price 50% lower than QF J. Qantas must now think about upgrading their service before it is too late to have a very low partonage on Domestic Business Class.

For Economy, I think it wouldn't be even cutting off the entertainment or food on board as "Full Service" is still one of the major factor for commutors to choose QF instead of DJ. But QF needs to bear in mind that DJ has PTVs ($4.9/9.9) and food (~$10 for a refreshment) and $8 luggage. It would be possible that QF is losing some 'wealthier' commutors which are willing to pay just around $10 more for a DJ Domestic Economy rather than QF, where we still can't see a PTV in most of the CityFlyer services.

[Gareth U]

Addition of products, it has been talked about on here before from memory.

Yes, I was aware of those... Although it has not been confirmed re PTVs. Just that the IFE on the new 73H would be 'cutting edge' or words to that effect.

I, too, have heard the new 73H will have new seats in both cabins. Without increased pitch and another toilet in Y/C I wouldn't call in 'improved'.

The 763 refurb (international to domestic) is well underway - not particularily noteworthy, though welcome all the same (lap top power in J/C).