Is Jetstar Getting New Aircraft?

[Oliver Gigacz]

Hi
Just wondering this is probably a stupid question but is Jetstar getting new aircraft or leased. Because they are getting 54 A320s and 16 A321s and will they be new and when will they get delivered.

[Ash W]

You also forgot the 787's. Yes they will be new, although some of the A321's were secondhand but after the awful state of the first couple they aren't getting anymore secondhand ones.

[Greg F]

Yeah from what I heard Mr Joyce (then CEO of JQ), said NO WAY are we buying second hand again, they have spent so much money on the last 2 321's its ridiculous really!

I suppose its a risk you have to take, as the economic slowdown could be over in 6 months and then JQ would be like, Craaaap we need more planes!

Mind you does anyone know anymore on the Albino JQ A320?
Has/Is that going to JQ Pacific?

[Greg F]

You also forgot the 787's. Yes they will be new, although some of the A321's were secondhand but after the awful state of the first couple they aren't getting anymore secondhand ones.

Pfhhht, the 787's, I laugh when i hear that word now seven-eight-seven, Maybe one-day, just one-day they will arrive? I heard 2045 is that correct?? :D:D

[Brad Myer]

Mind you does anyone know anymore on the Albino JQ A320?
Has/Is that going to JQ Pacific?

Both Jetstar Pacific and Jetstar Asia are due an A320 in the next few weeks.

Could be either??

[lloyd fox]

There was a Vietnamese registered A320 RAR-TSV yesterday so i guess that is the machine seen recently in Sth America on delivery to Jetstar Pacific.

[Mike W]

Pfhhht, the 787's, I laugh when i hear that word now seven-eight-seven, Maybe one-day, just one-day they will arrive? I heard 2045 is that correct?? :D:D

Ah ha, but there is a precedent and it's massive, over budget, hardly sold any (certainly not enough to turn a profit - but who cares, it's Euro Tax-Payer money) and it's here.... finally, two rears or more late. Need any more clues?

[Ash W]

Ah ha, but there is a precedent and it's massive, over budget, hardly sold any (certainly not enough to turn a profit - but who cares, it's Euro Tax-Payer money) and it's here.... finally, two rears or more late. Need any more clues?

At least it is flying. Also Euro tax payer money doesn't prop airbus up anymore. Us Defence contracts on the otherhand clearly do prop up the maker of the 787.

[Greg F]

Mind you does anyone know anymore on the Albino JQ A320?
Has/Is that going to JQ Pacific?

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6435002&nseq=1

The Answer to that Question :)

[Michael Morrison]

At least it is flying. Also Euro tax payer money doesn't prop airbus up anymore. Us Defence contracts on the otherhand clearly do prop up the maker of the 787.

Exactly - The delays in the A380 came after it was flying! The 787 can't even get off the ground yet and has an awfully tight flight testing schedule so will likely have more delays)

[Mike W]

At least it is flying. Also Euro tax payer money doesn't prop airbus up anymore. Us Defence contracts on the otherhand clearly do prop up the maker of the 787.

Re the Euro Taxpayer, you may want to check on Airbus' loan structures with regard to R&D and how this affects the 380 (as well as other new Airbus projects such as the 350) and it's development costs. It is true though, the more traditionally manfactured 380 took to the sky earlier in their program but struggled from there.

As for defence contracts, Airbus are doing their best there too - Aus Airforce330 Tankers for example not to mention the troubled Military freighter program. Airbus' owner EADS manufacture Eurofighter, Eurocopter and a myriad of other products. However, I believe Boeing's Commercial Aircraft division is very profitable (several models have sold 1,000 plus) independent to the defence business so I don't know where you get the "clearly propped up" from.

[NickN]

Is there whole heap of cheap second hand A321's and A320's around given some of the airline collapses around the world over the last 12 months?

Might be worth buying used aircraft if the price is right.

[Ray P.]

...some of the A321's were secondhand but after the awful state of the first couple they aren't getting anymore secondhand ones.

Huh? Did Jetstar forget to check them out before they accepted them or did they pick them up on ebay sight unseen?

[Saj_A]

Exactly - The delays in the A380 came after it was flying! The 787 can't even get off the ground yet and has an awfully tight flight testing schedule so will likely have more delays)

Apples to oranges comparison.

The A380, for all its good and bad points is nothing more than a conventionally designed and built airplane - Boeing/Airbus have produced similar jets for almost a half century.

The 787 is an entirely new kettle of fish, not just because of the mismanaged supply chain, but also because of the unique breakthrough technologies its bringing to the marketplace.

No doubt, the 787 so far has been a mess equal to its sales success - but to contrast it to the A380 is laughable.

Getting back to Jetstar, maybe I'm wrong in saying it, but the way the Press seem to latch on to the "cataclysmic" scenario that JQ will be missing out on 787's is equally laughable.

If JQ needed capacity, why the heck did they cancel 2 A330's they were supposed to be leasing?

Whatever the 787's flaws, the global downturn is a good thing for the 787.

Theres no "rush" for it - oil is at its lowerst in four years, capacity cuts are still not yet done and many airlines are standing down jets and not replacing them - only today TAP Air Portugal cancelled 8 A320's.

Just watch in 2009 how many cancellations Airbus & Boeing both suffer - this incessant media rambling about the 787 is getting slightly boring because of the void in relating it to real world circumstances.

[Joseph Saragozza.]

looks like the white JQ A320 thred i posted not so long ago ended up with JQ Pacific.

thanks for the link Greg.