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Kieran Wells
2nd January 2009, 03:30 PM
From The Australian:
QANTAS is considering axing its loss-making Sydney-Mumbai service after a disagreement with its pilots' union over meal allowances.

The airline will be forced to divert today's flight through Melbourne after the Australian and International Pilots Association refused to renew a concession that allows pilots to fly beyond hours outlined in their enterprise agreement.

The concession's end on Wednesday means Qantas must now change crews in Melbourne before continuing on to Mumbai instead of flying non-stop from Sydney.

However, an airline source said this would increase losses on the route and was likely to be the final straw for the service.

This could also mean new Airbus A330s slated for Qantas's mainline operations could now be sent to Jetstar and that would mean less flying for Qantas A330 pilots.

The A330 concession had been allowed to continue despite the overwhelming rejection in a pilot vote last year of a new enterprise agreement.

AIPA said pilot dissatisfaction had increased since then because meal allowances had not been updated for three years and were now significantly lower than those received by cabin crew.

Before Christmas, AIPA's executive committee decided it would not grant further concessions until the meal allowance issue was resolved.

But Qantas thinks the issue should be included in wider EBA talks.

AIPA vice-president Richard Woodward said Qantas did not help its case by waiting until the last minute before asking for an extension to the concession.

He said the airline had been told the extension for the A330s was coming up but had done nothing until the Airbus fleet manager wrote to the union on Tuesday.

"We couldn't do anything about it on such short notice and we had a committee meeting in December which decided we would give the company no more concessions against our contract until the allowances were brought up to parity with the cabin crew," he said.

Mr Woodward accused Qantas of using the allowance disagreement as a smokescreen for other reasons for pulling out of Mumbai.

Qantas began flying to Mumbai in 2004 and the service gained notoriety in 2006 when British actor Ralph Fiennes and flight attendant Lisa Robertson had sex in an A330 toilet.

It began operating the route using an A330-300 with a stopover in Darwin but moved to a non-stop service using a smaller A330-200 in an attempt to stem losses believed at that stage to be more than $20 million a year.

Montague S
2nd January 2009, 03:47 PM
we know QF fly to Mumbia, I just wonder if the Indians with money actually know it too? does QF really punch hard when marketing relatively new destinations like this? ok..its a return to destination, but like the return to EZE, once the service starts you never hear any promotion or advertising for it at all.

Brad Myer
2nd January 2009, 03:51 PM
Maybe the service will be via SIN from now on?

QF already seem to have heaps of spare A330 capapcity with cuts to:

2x weekly SYD-NRT
3x weekly MEL-NRT
3x weekly MEL-HKG (from FEB)
3x weekly SYD-HKG (from FEB)

Also once you count the delivery of the new VH-EBL its a fair bit of spare flying. Suprised they havent replaced the B763s on PER-NRT, SYD-MNL, and SYD-HNL.

Interesting times ahead!

Kieran Wells
2nd January 2009, 06:01 PM
I think it will either be via singapore, or handed over to jetstar. Yes it is an A330 destination, due to the B787 being too large. Only other way to send it would be a B763 v Singapore..

NickN
2nd January 2009, 07:11 PM
There is a large Indian population in Australia I would have though that Mumbai would have been a money spinner. As Montague said, you never see QF advertise it at all so maybe had it been better marketed it would have been a success. There seems to be a huge fascination with all things Bollywood and India being such an interesting country surely a marketing campaign would have been the go.

On a similar note, apart from the direct QF flight how would Indian passengers make it to Australia? Via Singapore?

Michael Mak
2nd January 2009, 07:14 PM
On a similar note, apart from the direct QF flight how would Indian passengers make it to Australia? Via Singapore?

SQ via SIN
CX via HKG
EK via DXB
etc etc

Owen H
2nd January 2009, 07:18 PM
Part of the problem I think is that while it is a direct service to Mumbai, a lot of people don't want to go to Mumbai. The choice is then to either fly Qantas to BOM and connect on an Indian domestic carrier, or to fly to Singapore, and fly directly to your destination with a major international airline.

Both ways are 1 stop, but one way you fly with a premium carrier on one leg and transit in India onto a local on the other, or the other way you transit at one of the worlds premium airports and fly on an international carrier both sectors.

I know which one I'd choose :D

Andrew P
2nd January 2009, 07:28 PM
or to fly to Singapore

or KL, BKK and even HKG

Tom PER
2nd January 2009, 07:35 PM
I recall reading somewhere recently that part of QF's capacity cuts they were returning 2 leased A330's.

These also included parking a couple of B763's.

Michael Morrison
3rd January 2009, 12:46 AM
I dodnt recall any press release saying they were returning 332's.

I did see a release stating they had cancelled their intention to lease MORE for Jetstar

Arthur T
3rd January 2009, 02:22 AM
If the BOM service will go via Singapore instead of axing it, could it be excessive capacity for the Sydney - Singapore leg, as there's already too many flights bewteen these 2 cities?

Currently they are doing 2x Daily + 1x BA Daily + 3x QF81/82 = 24x Weekly.
If adding the BOM via SIN service (3x Daily), it would become 27x Weekly.

SQ's been trying to add 4th service to SIN but unfortunately failed.

In my opinion, the possible happy ending to QF's BOM service is to associate with Cathay Pacific by adding the QF code on CX's BKK - BOM service (CX 750 & CX 751), in connection with QF 1/2/301/302.

Timetable for these services:
Sydney - Bangkok
QF 1 1805/2310
QF 301 1730/2245

Bangkok - Mumbai
CX 750 1720/2005

Mumbai - Bangkok
CX 751 0520/1045

Bangkok - Sydney
QF 2 1725/0625 +1
QF 302 1705/0610 +1

Hence, QF may need to pursuade Cathay to change time for their CX750 & 751 service and connect with QF301/302. QF can try to end it's AF SYD - HKG - CDG codeshare and codeshare HKG-CDG with CX instead in exchange for the codeshared and time changed BKK <> BOM service.

CX currently operates 4x Weekly on this route, hence the codeshared service would be even more frequent then QF's 3x Daily now.

Sarah C
3rd January 2009, 08:40 AM
On the marketing side, yes you don't see big billboards promoting the destination. There is a lot of money going into the A380 product and Premium Y - that is where the focus has to be.

From a sales perspective, I can tell you a lot of money and resources has been invested in India and EZE - the main focus of the message is to travel agents, that is where the market is. The account managers push BOM as a destination and generally when I speak to agents, they say that it is a difficult market. There is only a small corporate market so the rest has to be made up of leisure travellers. Not many Australians want to go to India for a holiday - they would rather go somewhere else and even with the huge Indian population, Australia is not a top destination for them.

They are pushing it quite a bit and won't give it up easily - they are fighting until it is a lost cause.

Brad Myer
3rd January 2009, 10:35 AM
The loads i see to BOM are usually pretty solid.

Now that the flight is direct with the 332 you would imagine some $$ are being saved.

You also need to think about how many domestic pax this flight generates particually from MEL, BNE etc.

My guess is the issue will be resolved and the flight will continue.

Speaking of EZE I have heard its performing ahead of target. Loads on that service always look pretty strong.

James Smith
3rd January 2009, 07:59 PM
On the question of codeshare flights to India, QANTAS already codeshares on Jet Airways daily flights from Singapore to Delhi and Mumbai. Similarly, Jet Airways codeshares on QANTAS flights from Singapore to Australian destinations.

Stuart Trevena
5th January 2009, 11:32 PM
Hi All,

I think Qantas should drop Sydney altogether, and ops the flight MEL - SIN - BOM - SIN - MEL.

This would give us a 2nd Qantas Singapore Flight, as the only other flight we have is QF9 which departs about 16:30 I think which ops to LHR via SIN

Stuart

Mick B
6th January 2009, 06:58 AM
The issue has been resolved and SYD-BOM-SYD direct ops will continue.