Qantas Intl NS09 Schedule Update?

[Brad Myer]

Hey all,

As some may know the NS schedule begins from MAR29 I have noticed the QF schedule has not been updated at all, except for the cuts to MEL-PVG-MEL and the increase of SYD-PVG-SYD to daily.

Anyone know of any other changes that are on the way? A330s to MNL and PER-NRT perhaps?

Thanks

[Brad Myer]

Here are some updates:

*MEL-PVG vv cut, SYD-PVG-SYD increases to daily A332. (Eff from MAR29)

*A333 replaces A332 on the SYD-PEK-SYD route. (Eff from MAR29)

*A380 QF31/32 SYD-SIN-LHR services increase from 3x to 5x weekly. (Eff from JUN09)

*A380 QF11/12 SYD-LAX-SYD services increase from 3x to 4x weekly. (Eff from JUN09)

Must be plenty of spare B744/A330 Intl capacity. A333s will be operating numerous weekly domestic services to/from PER.

[Rhys Xanthis]

Perhaps they can *finally* get rid of the 763's on int'l duties (syd-hnl, per-nrt)

Though thats been said very often :p

[Arthur T]

Must be plenty of spare B744/A330 Intl capacity. A333s will be operating numerous weekly domestic services to/from PER.

How about the B744s? Why QF don't use the spare B744s and try to operate more routes out?
I remembered QF claimed she's not doing well internationally and need external assistance etc., but its international network, even as near as in East Asia, still have lots of rooms to improve.
I think QF can try to expend its network, using the spare planes to operate its own service to ICN, DXB, TPE, MEX etc., rather to leave them idle.

[Michael Morrison]

I think QF can try to expend its network, using the spare planes to operate its own service to ICN, DXB, TPE, MEX etc., rather to leave them idle.

Personally I'd like them to be less utilised than they have been in the past couple of years. That way we may see some better on time performance and schedule integrity again.

[Marty H]

Perhaps they can *finally* get rid of the 763's on int'l duties (syd-hnl, per-nrt)

Though thats been said very often :p

B763's are designed for international routes, using them on high cycle domestic routes is not how they are best utilised.

[Raymond Rowe]

Martin, tell me why the 767 are no good for domestic use. Because DJ do not use them, is that why? Not all airlines think of small aircraft. Look at what Japan use for domestic services.

[Marty H]

Got nothing to do with DJ. Why do you think everything is DJ related :rolleyes: Ultimately the B767 best use is on international routes, by saying that I am talkiing turn around time etc, but there are going to be routes/countries as you say Japan, that they do suit.

[Gareth U]

Ultimately the B767 best use is on international routes, by saying that I am talkiing turn around time etc, but there are going to be routes/countries as you say Japan, that they do suit.

Turn times?! Qantas routinely turns full 763s in a 30/224 configuration in 45 mins - almost as quick as a 73H! These aircraft are completely optimised for Qantas' domestic purposes. Good freight capacity and widebody appeal. Large enough J cabin. The list goes on.

These aircraft are just as comfortable on a SYD-MEL as they are on SYD-PER. On SYD-MEL the capacity of these aircraft is absolutely needed - much more efficient than having to run extra 73Hs to move the required number of pax.

In Qantas' situation the 763s are the perfect fit for domestic ops. More so than the other widebodies in the fleet. Or are you saying Qantas should use 330s or 744s in their place?

[Marty H]

15 mins slower than a 738 to turn, 4-5 tonne more fuel than a 738 MEL-SYD, at least 2-3 more employees than a 738 in a turn around.

[Rhys Xanthis]

We know they were designed for medium-long haul routes, particularly in Asia, but for passenger comfort on these long, 8+ hour legs, its just not good enough.

No individual IFE, old business seats, its not what to expect on a 10 hour flight across the pacific/across asia.

[Jack B]

I'd like to see Qantas use A330's to operate SYD-HNL...

I'd rather fly in a nice modern Jetstar A332 with average service and options for personal IFE (even though it incurs an extra cost) than an old-ish QF 763 with no personal IFE...even if the service is superior

but thats just me....

And i'm sure there must be economic reasons why they aren't chaging the aircraft on the route

[Montague S]

Join the queue, Perth people would like the A330 on the Narita run too, god knows we've been waiting long enough for it.

Errr...Hanley, the 767 is used domestically in Canada, USA and UK and within the EU nations.

Time for you to broaden your horizons.

[Jack B]

I'm sure the 767's extra capacity is greatly appreciated on SYD-MEL runs

[Marty H]

Errr...Hanley, the 767 is used domestically in Canada, USA and UK and within the EU nations.

Time for you to broaden your horizons.

I realise where the B767 is operated domestically, Im just saying the aircraft is designed and used best on medium haul international routes.

[Owen H]

I don't know about that, its a higher capacity aircraft that is great for high cycle short turn around flying... its a very useful aircraft! It does do very well at high weights medium haul, but it great for cityflyer!

[Ash W]

I realise where the B767 is operated domestically, Im just saying the aircraft is designed and used best on medium haul international routes.

I think you will find it was designed for US continental flights. On top of that on a per seat basis it is no more costly to run then a smaller narrowbody, especially when you take into account the need more smaller narrowbodies to carry the same load. Also, an airline like Qantas doesn't need the frequency advantage offered by smaller aircraft owing to the fact they already have a high frequency on say SYD-MEL and on longer flights SYD-PER frequency isn't such a great issue.

As for lack of international standard IFE etc, come on guys these are old a/c that are filling specific roles. If Qantas were to replace their aircraft all the time so everything was the same it would cost them, and ultimately the passenger more money.

One last thing to think about is what is the next aircraft Qantas plans to introduce? Yep the 787, which they plan to replace the 767's with on both the short distance hops and maybe even some long haul hops. That aircraft it seems is perfectly suited to both types of ops.

[Gareth U]

15 mins slower than a 738 to turn.

Qantas cannot turn a 73H in 30 mins! They are normally blocked at 45 mins, sometimes 40mins.

[Mike W]

Perhaps they can *finally* get rid of the 763's on int'l duties (syd-hnl, per-nrt)

Though thats been said very often :p

This morning I was on QF50 and after sitting on the tarmac in Auckland for four hours while they replaced a fuel valve, I was wondering for a while why 763's are being used on Intl routes too :p

On the other hand, I was happy they diagnosed the problem at ground level and not 38,000ft in the middle of the Tasman. It is Friday the 13th after all. :eek:

BTW, I'm counting New Zealand ports as International routes even if you didn't specifically mention this Country above. :rolleyes:

[Marty H]

Qantas cannot turn a 73H in 30 mins! They are normally blocked at 45 mins, sometimes 40mins.

That is the way Qantas operate I cant comment.

[Luke Chittock]

Howdy all

Not International sched news, but a A333 will ops PER-BNE-PER rotation (QF650 0735/1355 returning QF597 1455/1820) every MON to FRI from 05APR to 15MAY inclusive.

A/c 30J/267Y config.

Regards

Luke/PER

[Dave C]

Qantas cannot turn a 73H in 30 mins! They are normally blocked at 45 mins, sometimes 40mins.
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This is because Qantas actually cleans their airplanes during every turn around. Professional cleaners, not flight attendants.

[Mike W]

This is because Qantas actually cleans their airplanes during every turn around. Professional cleaners, not flight attendants.

As a matter of interest, what tangible difference does that make for the pax?

[Andrew P]

This is because Qantas actually cleans their airplanes during every turn around. Professional cleaners, not flight attendants.

Virgin Blue uses the passengers as their cleaners

also passengers are safety card sorters

Banjo

this is what happened on my last DJ flight

[Dave C]

As a matter of interest, what tangible difference does that make for the pax?

Are you serious? Or just being a smartass?

[Marty H]

Virgin Blue uses the passengers as their cleaners

also passengers are safety card sorters

Banjo

this is what happened on my last DJ flight

Your kidding yourself:rolleyes:

[Marty H]

As a matter of interest, what tangible difference does that make for the pax?

None as long as the aircraft is clean and tidy for the outbound flight thats what the pax want and an on time departure, I like how Dave says they are professional cleaners:rolleyes:

[Andrew M]

I find no difference between DJ and QF in terms of how clean their planes are.

What I do find a difference with is being on an old 767 versus a new 737, so in that regard DJ wins everytime :p

However, J class and free food/wine helps on QF :D

I just book with whoever is the cheapest, or when I need a boost in status credits.

Work doesn't really mind who I fly with, so sometimes I will get a slightly more $$ flight on QF simply for the food/drinks factor.

[Kelvin R]

Qantas use cleaners? I am yet to see a clean domestic plane. One day I found a half eaten bread roll at my feat, some days I find peanuts, yes peanuts (I am sure someone knows the last time QF actually handed out peanuts). Other finds include week old boarding passes. I thought QF gave up cleaning anything except the bathrooms years ago.

The other day I did have to ask the CSM to swap my A330 safety card for a 767 safety card. It seems someone made them the same colour.

[Michael Mak]

Qantas use cleaners? I am yet to see a clean domestic plane. One day I found a half eaten bread roll at my feat, some days I find peanuts, yes peanuts (I am sure someone knows the last time QF actually handed out peanuts). Other finds include week old boarding passes. I thought QF gave up cleaning anything except the bathrooms years ago.

The other day I did have to ask the CSM to swap my A330 safety card for a 767 safety card. It seems someone made them the same colour.
I flew on QF 333 an year ago and to my surprise, there were a mixture of 763/333 safety cards in the seat pockets. I wonder if it was intentional or just one big error.

[Andrew P]

Your kidding yourself:rolleyes:

no,

[Paul Green]

15 mins slower than a 738 to turn, 4-5 tonne more fuel than a 738 MEL-SYD, at least 2-3 more employees than a 738 in a turn around.

Most QF 738 turns are 40 mins.

QF don't herd their pax down the rear stairs at aerobridge ports and make them walk across the tarmac in order to speed up the turn.

Qantas use cleaners? I am yet to see a clean domestic plane. One day I found a half eaten bread roll at my feat, some days I find peanuts, yes peanuts (I am sure someone knows the last time QF actually handed out peanuts). Other finds include week old boarding passes. I thought QF gave up cleaning anything except the bathrooms years ago.

It must take great courage for you to fly QF with all these issues. If food scares you please fly a carrier that gives you nothing.

And besides what does this all have to do with schedule updates?

[Marty H]

Most QF 738 turns are 40 mins.

QF don't herd their pax down the rear stairs at aerobridge ports and make them walk across the tarmac in order to speed up the turn.



Ohh deary me walking across the tarmac:rolleyes:

[Mike W]

None as long as the aircraft is clean and tidy for the outbound flight thats what the pax want and an on time departure, I like how Dave says they are professional cleaners:rolleyes:

That's what I thought (ignoring the a.net "smartass" comment from Dave C) if the plane is clean and tidy and it does facilitate an on-time departure, I don't think pax care or less and ultimately, they're the ones that pay the bills.

[Stefan Perkas]

Afternoon all,

Some more International news.


Qantas has announced changes to its China and India schedules as it battles to match capacity to demand in a tightening economy. The airline will axe its three times weekly Sydney to Beijing service from April 17, while its twice-weekly Melbourne to Shanghai service will also cease from March 31. Non-stop flights to Mumbai will be rerouted via Singapore from mid-May.

[Jack B]

perhaps Qantas can use the A330-200's that would do the non-stop Mumbai flights to operate to Honolulu?

wishful thinking?

[Stefan Perkas]

Evening all,


Starting 10JUN09, QANTAS will reschedule its Daily Auckland - Los Angeles service which will allow same-day connection on QANTAS' Los Angeles - New York sector.

Also, from the same date, QF025/026 will be operating with 737-400 instead of 747-400 on the Melbourne - Auckland sector.

till 09JUN09
QF025 MEL1050 - 1615AKL1755 - 1050LAX 744 D
QF026 LAX2100 - 0445+2AKL0630+2 - 0830+2MEL 744 D - 08JUN09

eff 10JUN09
QF025 AKL1330 - 0625LAX 744 D
QF026 LAX2345 - 0730+2AKL 744 D 09JUN09 -

Also...

QANTAS is increasing its frequencies operated by A380 on service to London, Los Angeles and Singapore

On Sydney - Los Angeles QF011/012, A380 flight increased from 3 (Day 357) weekly to 4 (Day x146) from 03JUN09 to 02SEP09

Melbourne - Los Angeles A380 service remains at Day 13

Sydney - Singapore - London QF031/032, A380 flight increased from 3 (Day 256) to 5 weekly (Day x13; from SYD) from 07JUN09

Finally...

QANTAS from 11MAY09 will be suspending its 3 weekly Sydney - Mumbai nonstop service.

It plans to operate service via Singapore but it is not loaded in the GDS as of 17FEB09. At the meantime, it will continnue to provide codeshare service with Jet Airways to Mumbai

[Kieran Wells]

From the Qantas website:

Qantas Launches New Australia-India Schedule Latest News
Sydney, 27 February 2009
Qantas announced today that it would commence its new Australia-Mumbai services from 2 June 2009.

Qantas Executive General Manager, Mr John Borghetti, said Qantas would now offer flights from seven Australian cities to Mumbai via Singapore.

"Customers will now be able to fly to Mumbai from Adelaide, Brisbane, Cairns^, Darwin^, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney, further opening up access to the Indian sub-continent from Australia," Mr Borghetti said.

"India is an important market for Qantas. We will now offer 21 flights from Australia each week which will connect to our three-flights-per-week service between Singapore and Mumbai."

QF51, originating in Brisbane, will operate from Singapore to Mumbai on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. The return QF52 service from Mumbai will operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

In addition to its own services from Australia, Qantas also codeshares on Jet Airways flights between Delhi and Singapore, and Mumbai and Singapore, offering customers access to an additional 40 Indian destinations across Jet Airways' extensive domestic network.


* Subject to regulatory approval.
^ Jetstar service to Singapore

NB: QF82 Singapore-Adelaide will now operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays to align with QF52 Mumbai-Singapore services.

[Michael Morrison]

so they are effectively cutting another 3 x weekly A330 capacity given the Mumbai flight does top completely and it is the BNE-SIN flight that will continue.

Ie All the Mumbai traffic will come from existing PER/ADL/BNE/SYD capacity.

[Brad Myer]

Lots of spare Intl A330 capacity!

[Michael Morrison]

Lots of spare Intl A330 capacity!

Would probably make sense to convert their international A330-200's into domestic config. I believe the routes that had 332's orginally are now all gone (BOM, PVG - now 333, PEK and some NRT after the cuts)