Qantas Domestic Bliss Sale

[Anthony J]

There are some pretty good fares going with Qantas' sale, I think the idea was to keep V Australia from getting all the attention!

http://www.qantas.com.au/deals/do/dyn/specials/displayRedEDeals

[Michael Morrison]

Pretty biased reporting - not to mention the fact QF are $1350 and VA are $975 so they got their pricing wrong too!

[Arthur T]

If then, think JetStar could be in trouble, as they are having something like best price guarantee, which JQ would beat 10% when they have other carriers operating on the same route selling cheaper than JetStar.

When mentioned about CityFlyer's frequency for Qantas in addition of the sale, should JetStar reduces its prices as well, otherwise deals like Sydney - Brisbane would be beat by Qantas.

But think that's pretty business strategy for Qantas to grap some attraction away from VA. Hope Virgin and Qantas can start another price war soon that more commutors can be benefited.

[Radi K]

Haha what I love is that AS USUAL it took competition from another carrier to stimulate QF to lower their fares. Wish QF would be a market leader rather than follower sometimes. :cool: But alas I'm certain hell will freeze over before a legacy carrier does anything like that. Can't blame them I suppose, I would do the same.

The product and service difference onboard is what I hope people will notice when they step on the brand new B777-300ER. It’s funky, layback and new.

Never been a better time for everyone to fly with these fares around. Hope you all use K-Rudd’s payout for travel! :p

[Michael Mak]

Never been a better time for everyone to fly with these fares around. Hope you all use K-Rudd’s payout for travel! :p
Hear hear! ;)

[Ben W]

The article above lists MSP as a V-Aust destination in the coming months? Does anyone have any information on this? Are they planning to fly across from LAX with a 777 to connect with NWA's hub in MSP perhaps? Virgin America doesn't fly into MSP so is this just false reporting maybe?

Just curious if anyone has heard anything, this is the first I'm hearing of it.

Cheers,

Ben

[Michael Morrison]

The article above lists MSP as a V-Aust destination in the coming months?

Ben


The interline with Northwest on that route already.

Just bad reporting.

[Marty H]

I noticed on the Virgin Blue website they are now having a sale and have undercut QF on the prices. If low prices are hurting DJ imagine how much they are hurting QF:eek:

[Owen H]

Low prices won't hurt QF as much as they could hurt DJ. QF can offer low prices but still has a reasonably consistent premium market around Australia. They are also in a far better financial position to accept it.

Radi K, airline prices at the moment are already at a low level. Airlines have bills to pay... there is a minimum fare that makes it viable to even operate a route. Qantas would be mad to start a price war with itself... of course it takes another airline to generate the low prices!

[Craig Murray]

Haha what I love is that AS USUAL it took competition from another carrier to stimulate QF to lower their faresBut

But you must agree there has always been competition on this route in some form? United, Air New Zealand and more recently Air Tahiti Nui spring to mind. I'm sure there have been times when they too have put pressure on Qantas fare structure. Lets not forget that competition is a good thing provided it is sustainable.

And the latest offering isn't the only airline operating new equipment on the route, I believe Air New Zealand pioneered that with the introduction of the B777-200ER on Trans Pacific flights (obviously via AKL ex SYD) and of course we all know that the A380 flies the Pacific on a daily basis.

But this thread isn't about Trans Pacific offerings and I digress, this thread is about a QF Domestic Sale. VA vs QF has been done beyond recognition in the other thread.

To keep this on topic, I noticed the Domestic Bliss fares pop up yesterday, if you're looking to keep your Frequent Flyer points active or just want to go flying there are some tremendous fares available. Brisbane to Sydney for $65 is something I haven't seen for a very long time from Qantas.

I agree strongly with Radi and others, spend the $950 keeping the travel industry afloat. Book a cheap domestic fare with one of our local carriers and spend the night somewhere!

If low prices are hurting DJ imagine how much they are hurting QF:eek:

Marty is this level of post really necessary? Quite frankly your one eyed, biased and thoughtless posts are becoming more tiresome by the day. I have worked in the Automotive industry for many years most recently in the financial arm of a large manufacturer. I'm a born and bred Holden lover, but am I blinded by this to think that only they build the cars I most desire? No! I think the Falcon and Aurion are the best local offerings at the moment (excluding the Calais V V8 Sportswagon!!!). Keep an open mind and you might find you're views earn a little more respect around here.

[Marty H]

Low prices won't hurt QF as much as they could hurt DJ. QF can offer low prices but still has a reasonably consistent premium market around Australia. They are also in a far better financial position to accept it.

Radi K, airline prices at the moment are already at a low level. Airlines have bills to pay... there is a minimum fare that makes it viable to even operate a route. Qantas would be mad to start a price war with itself... of course it takes another airline to generate the low prices!

I think QF being full service and having higher operating costs would hurt them I mean you look at a simple MEL-ADL ticket for $55 that inc the cost of their own caterers, providing food for all those onboard, their own cleaners to come on board and clean the aircraft before flight, where as DJ at $49 then will generate revenue through the sale of food onboard, they wont have the cost of cleaners coming on board, they dont hire their own caterers.

[Marty H]

Marty is this level of post really necessary? Quite frankly your one eyed, biased and thoughtless posts are becoming more tiresome by the day. I have worked in the Automotive industry for many years most recently in the financial arm of a large manufacturer. I'm a born and bred Holden lover, but am I blinded by this to think that only they build the cars I most desire? No! I think the Falcon and Aurion are the best local offerings at the moment (excluding the Calais V V8 Sportswagon!!!). Keep an open mind and you might find you're views earn a little more respect around here.

Craig please see my next post for my reasons:)

[Tim C]

Haha what I love is that AS USUAL it took competition from another carrier to stimulate QF to lower their fares. Wish QF would be a market leader rather than follower sometimes. :cool: But alas I'm certain hell will freeze over before a legacy carrier does anything like that. Can't blame them I suppose, I would do the same.

The product and service difference onboard is what I hope people will notice when they step on the brand new B777-300ER. It’s funky, layback and new.

Never been a better time for everyone to fly with these fares around. Hope you all use K-Rudd’s payout for travel! :p
They are a business not a charity. They are flying for their shareholders for the highest sustainable price. Why would they lower their fares without competitor activity?

[Montague S]

Haha what I love is that AS USUAL it took competition from another carrier to stimulate QF to lower their fares. Wish QF would be a market leader rather than follower sometimes. :cool: But alas I'm certain hell will freeze over before a legacy carrier does anything like that. Can't blame them I suppose, I would do the same.

The product and service difference onboard is what I hope people will notice when they step on the brand new B777-300ER. It’s funky, layback and new.

Never been a better time for everyone to fly with these fares around. Hope you all use K-Rudd’s payout for travel! :p

what competition would that be? its a domestic sale, there is only 1 full service airline serving Australia on a domestic basis and that is Qantas.

try understanding the difference between an international and domestic sale before making false comments.

[D Chan]

I think QF being full service and having higher operating costs would hurt them I mean you look at a simple MEL-ADL ticket for $55 that inc the cost of their own caterers, providing food for all those onboard, their own cleaners to come on board and clean the aircraft before flight, where as DJ at $49 then will generate revenue through the sale of food onboard, they wont have the cost of cleaners coming on board, they dont hire their own caterers.

From a balanced viewpoint, I would say the actual cost of producing a meal and actual cost of having cleaners, per passenger, in a flight is quite minimal. Having said that this is only the cost of 'production' and there are hidden costs involved so you are correct in what you are saying.
However I question the ability of generating additional revenue and how much this will actually be when you work out the revenue per passenger per flight. I suspect this will not be a big amount as most passengers would bring their own food or drinks etc or just go without.

What you have said essentially summarises the changes the industry has been going through. One could imagine however if QF decides to charge for food onboard or eliminate cleaners how much of an uproar this will create, especially in the media.

You are also forgetting the substantial investments made by DJ in the VA expansion and what this will mean for DJ as a company and its bottomline. In essence the timing could not have been worse (sheer bad luck). They will take at minimum 2 or 3 years to breakeven (or more depending on how badly the financial crisis hits in the next 12 months) and until then will continue to be a burden on the financial performance of the group.

[Andi O]

Maybe it is more to do with stimulating demand than actually putting bums on seats. Remember if you advertise "free (cheap) seats", everyman and his dog are tempted to hop on the net and try to grab one. Some will find only $100 seats and say that's not too bad and book that one....got ya hook line and sinker!!! Remember also, carrier like Qantas can offset the cheapies, by the sale of premium seats as well. Yield management is what it is all about.
It's not about how this will hurt them more than another airline.
Airlines don't put out sale fares just to go broke!
There are people who get paid for working these things out and SHOULD know more about it than you or me (unless of course you are one of the people!)

[James K]

Maybe it is more to do with stimulating demand than actually putting bums on seats. Remember if you advertise "free (cheap) seats", everyman and his dog are tempted to hop on the net and try to grab one. Some will find only $100 seats and say that's not too bad and book that one....got ya hook line and sinker!!! Remember also, carrier like Qantas can offset the cheapies, by the sale of premium seats as well. Yield management is what it is all about.
It's not about how this will hurt them more than another airline.
Airlines don't put out sale fares just to go broke!
There are people who get paid for working these things out and SHOULD know more about it than you or me (unless of course you are one of the people!)

Most sensible thing I've read here for a while ;)

[Marty H]

From a balanced viewpoint, I would say the actual cost of producing a meal and actual cost of having cleaners, per passenger, in a flight is quite minimal. Having said that this is only the cost of 'production' and there are hidden costs involved so you are correct in what you are saying.
However I question the ability of generating additional revenue and how much this will actually be when you work out the revenue per passenger per flight. I suspect this will not be a big amount as most passengers would bring their own food or drinks etc or just go without.

What you have said essentially summarises the changes the industry has been going through. One could imagine however if QF decides to charge for food onboard or eliminate cleaners how much of an uproar this will create, especially in the media.

You are also forgetting the substantial investments made by DJ in the VA expansion and what this will mean for DJ as a company and its bottomline. In essence the timing could not have been worse (sheer bad luck). They will take at minimum 2 or 3 years to breakeven (or more depending on how badly the financial crisis hits in the next 12 months) and until then will continue to be a burden on the financial performance of the group.

Correct what you say, I guess we all hope V Australia can stand on its own two feet sooner rather than later.

[Montague S]

looks like QF has an international sale going too...might swap some shifts at work and go to LA for a few days.

[NickN]

JQ have a 2 for 1 sale on now too. I like the look of 2 x ppl each way to OOL for $69.