T3 closed due to stabbing

[Nigel C]

Breaking news...

Just seen on Ch 7, T3 is apparently closed after a gang entered and stabbed someone.

No doubt more details will emerge soon.


Turns out someone was not stabbed, but rather hit with a bollard. Ouch!

http://www.smh.com.au/national/man-seriously-hurt-during-airport-brawl-20090322-95c6.html

A brawl between about 20 men at Sydney Airport this afternoon has left one man seriously injured, police say.

The man is being treated at the scene after being hit with what is believed to be a portable bollard. Police say he will be taken to hospital by ambulance shortly. The bollard, among a number of other items, have been taken for forensic examination.

About 1.35pm, police were called to the domestic departure lounge at terminal three. A crime scene has been established there and police advise a number of check in gates have been affected. Travellers are advised to allow extra time to check in as delays are expected.

Police have canvassed the area and will review CCTV footage.

Sydney Airport said the matter was now with police so they were unable to make comment.

[Sarah C]

I can only think of one word - idiots!

I pity anyone getting to a flight or arriving this afternoon.

[Stuart Trevena]

Hi All,

This is from Skynews.com

Sydney airport brawl

Updated: 16:06, Sunday March 22, 2009

A violent gang brawl at Sydney's domestic airport has shut down the Qantas terminal.

Police were called to the domestic terminal departure check in area at terminal 3 after reports of a fight involving 20 people.

A 28-year-old man, believed to be a member of the Bandidos, was rushed to the Prince of Wales Hospital with severe head injuries.

He is believed to have been bludgeoned with a weapon, possibly a metal bollard. Reports say he went into cardiac arrest at the scene.

He is not expected to live.




Stuart

[Dan Hammond]

I can only think of one word - idiots!

I can think of another word, but that wouldnt be suitable for this board.

[Stuart Trevena]

Hi All,

Further to the story - It has been reported that the person has now died at hospital.

This is from the Australian.news.com.au



POLICE are appealing for witnesses after a man died in a brawl that partially shut down the Qantas terminal at Sydney Airport this afternoon.

Police were called to the departure check-in area at Terminal 3 after a fight involving about 20 men at 1.35pm.

A police spokesman said the man was treated at the scene after being hit by what was believed to be a portable bollard. It is believed the man died later in hospital.

"A number items, including portable bollards, are being taken for forensic examination and a crime scene has been set up,'' he said,.

"Passengers are advised to allow extra time checking in as delays are anticipated.''

The spokesman said police were canvassing the departure area and would review CCTV footage.


This is what happens when Macquarie Airports jack up the Taxi access fess again:eek:

Stuart

[Sarah C]

Whatever caused it, these guys are not too bright. Why start a fight at an airport, where there are police ready to go very quickly and there is security cameras everywhere, including the outside?

[Gareth Forwood]

Ch 10 said this was a bikie revenge killing... But yeah, pretty stupid doing it with all the surveillance around there. The Ch 10 report also said that the attackers were able to get away in taxis - doesn't say much for the volumes of security that are in place within the terminal.

[Tim Bowrey]

Wow! I was working there this morning!

Lucky I finished at 1pm hehe:o

[D Chan]

these people should take their fight elsewhere. the airport is hardly the right place for this kind of thing. it's scary though. wonder how they managed to get past screening to the gate lounge with weapons

[Grant Smith]

wonder how they managed to get past screening to the gate lounge with weapons

I believe the events unfolded in the check-in area of T3 and hence no screening took place, that being said the weapon was a metal bollard of which there are quite a few handy in the terminal ;)

[Craig Murray]

Well I am assuming that the unsuspecting travellers who's arrival was met by these thugs had their movements traced at their point of origin which was passed on to those who commenced the attack in T3 upon the travellers exiting the aircraft at Gate 5 (per ABC1 7pm news). Sans weapons it is easy for any individual to get through security....... they have no reason to stop you.

What this does raise is the lack of any "real" security in the terminals at not just Sydney but all around the country. The bulk of security, and that is a term I use most loosely, is unarmed staff contracted to scan passengers and make sure you don't walk into the sterile area via an exit........ and heaven forbid if you park your car for more than the allocated two minute period - you'll experience the wrath of the hired help.

Obviously things like this are few and far between. And quite frankly the alleged events of today, performed in front of mums, dads, kids etc., were a cowardly and unnecessary act with no regard or thought for human life. However a strong police (either NSW or Federal) may have seen more than 4 people arrested and prevented the escape by taxi.

I feel for the innocent bystanders that witnessed today's events and have faith that the occupier of T3 has done all they can to assist them. The impact of witnessing these events on people could be life changing for some and ongoing support will be crucial in their rehabilitation.

And as for those who find these events somewhat trivial and post as such within this thread, take your banter (and patronage) elsewhere...... ASAP.

[Torin Wilson]

Considering the image search results for 'bollard' doesn't show much that can easily picked up and swung (they all looked heavy as, or are embedded in the ground - particularly the one shown in the results with a car crashing into it) can someone point out exactly what this guy got bashed with?

http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=bollard&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
Thanks

(probably seems stupid, but I'm curious...)

[Craig Murray]

No such thing as a stupid question Torin. I think the term "bollard" has been used loosely in this instance.

The item in question was more than likely similar to the following item used heavily throughout the check-in concourse areas of airports all around Australia:

http://www.globalindustrial.com/images/large/250536_03.jpg

[Greg F]

Off topic but security related,

Hobart screening security are SO strict! They ask if you have any aerosols..
Yes I did, they asked to see it, smelt it, and then he asked if it had a lid, I had lost the lid.... so he confiscated my deodorant...

Yet 2 days earlier leaving Melbourne Security didn't bat an eyelid......
Surely security should be uniform across the country?

Also you always see AFP federal police at HBA airport.....

Very strict for a small port.........

[Torin Wilson]

No such thing as a stupid question Torin. I think the term "bollard" has been used loosely in this instance.

The item in question was more than likely similar to the following item used heavily throughout the check-in concourse areas of airports all around Australia:


How long till these get banned now then?

They are more annoying then anything else. I always seem to hit them with my trolly. I suppose thats the time wasting drinks I always seem to have before flying. They should put bumpers on the trollies, it could save lots of innocent shins and heels.

Most airports don't tend to move the metal bits do they? just undo the rope thing to let people past.

[Craig Murray]

Greg, my understanding is that an aerosol can travelling onboard an aircraft must have a lid per Australian law, regardless of how large or small the aircraft or the airport the flight originates from. A regrettable $4 loss but warranted under the Dangerous Goods Act.

[Greg F]

What's banning the poles going to do though?

There is nothing stopping you bringing a gun, axe, crowbar or anything really into the check in area.....:rolleyes:

[Greg F]

Greg, my understanding is that an aerosol can travelling onboard an aircraft must have a lid per Australian law, regardless of how large or small the aircraft or the airport the flight originates from. A regrettable $4 loss but warranted under the Dangerous Goods Act.

Craig I really don't care about losing tin of deodorant..... I'm more so talking about the difference in 'security levels' between ports.....

You are correct and HBA do everything by the book 100%
My dad says a lot of people whinge about HBA security about how 'picky' they are, but they are mearly following procedure.....

p.s Dad works at HBA as PSM JQ

[Torin Wilson]

Greg, my understanding is that an aerosol can travelling onboard an aircraft must have a lid per Australian law, regardless of how large or small the aircraft or the airport the flight originates from. A regrettable $4 loss but warranted under the Dangerous Goods Act.

Who actually decides what can and cannot go onboard?

For example I tend to take my tripod onboard, it went through Melbourne, Cooly, Darwin and Hobart fine (Melbourne about 5 times) but when I went through Adelaide they would not let me take it through screening.

Is it just the people at the security point at the time interpreting the law however they want?

[Torin Wilson]

What's banning the poles going to do though?

There is nothing stopping you bringing a gun, axe, crowbar or anything really into the check in area.....:rolleyes:

Well the airport doesn't have a gun cupboard there for people to go and grab guns from (exaggeration for those who aren't sure). But they do have rows of what people are obviously willing to pick up and bash people with.

There seems to be reactionary measures put into place. They've been picked up and used as a weapon now, so they get banned to stop it happening again even though it's very unlikely.

[Nigel C]

The spotlight is on you Macquarie, I think we'd like to hear what your response is to this...... I note the Sydney Airport site makes no mention of the events that took place on your property today.

Hey Craig,

I note in the SMH report that Sydney Airport said the matter was now with police so they were unable to comment.

Cheers

[Owen H]

WRT the aerosol can, the lid is there to ensure it doesn't accidently activate and spray all through your bag, where it becomes an inadvertant flammable hazard. Its a Dangerous Goods issue, not a security issue as such (but the security guys are also there to enforce the dangerous goods policies to some extent). The signs in Melbourne state that you have to take all aerosols out of your bag prior to screening, so they don't verbally ask you.

As to what is allowed and not allowed through security, there is some variance on what individual airports (And even shifts at the airport) seem to interpret as inappropriate for taking on board. All you have to do is smile and accept their ruling. If they say no to your tripod, then you just have to go back to check in and have it hold-stowed. My opinion is that you have been lucky to take it through as many times as you have, so consider yourself fortunate when they don't say no :)

As to the bashing, well, security aren't everywhere to prevent people getting attacked... look at shopping centres amongst thousands of other public places. The whole event would have been over in less than a minute or two once "landside" near the screening. In this case a pylon was used... could have been any non-fixed article really.

This was not a random attack... the perpetrators knew exactly who they were after. This does not make Australian airports unsafe, it wouldn't have mattered where they were, this attack could have happened.

[Craig Murray]

Couldn't agree more Owen regarding the attack, it could have taken place anywhere and such random events are impossible to police effectively.

Sydney Airport said the matter was now with police so they were unable to comment

I have edited my original post accordingly mate, thanks for the clarification.

[Matthew Chisholm]

Greg, my understanding is that an aerosol can travelling onboard an aircraft must have a lid per Australian law, regardless of how large or small the aircraft or the airport the flight originates from. A regrettable $4 loss but warranted under the Dangerous Goods act.

$4 ? Have you seen how much a can of rexona goes for these days ?

[Robert S]

Well I am assuming that the unsuspecting travellers who's arrival was met by these thugs had their movements traced at their point of origin which was passed on to those who commenced the attack in T3 upon the travellers exiting the aircraft at Gate 5 (per ABC1 7pm news).

I think they mentioned Gate 5 later... but the original news report itself is available here:

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200903/r351780_1613917.asx

[Daniel F]

I arrived back on a flight around 5pm. Traffic around the airport was chaos. No traffic was permitted on the departures level so the arrivals level was being used for drop offs as well. Traffic was banked back in all directions from the domestic terminal.

[Philip Argy]

Here's an update from today's Sydney Morning Herald website:



Bikie killed in Sydney Airport brawlhttp://images.smh.com.au/2009/03/22/427232/stabbing220309-420x0.jpg
Scene of the attack on a passenger at Sydney QANTAS Domestic Terminal.


A HELLS Angels bikie was killed in a huge brawl at Sydney Airport with rival club the Comanchero, in a brazen attack witnessed by dozens of travellers yesterday afternoon.
The 29-year-old was knocked to the ground during the brawl - involving at least 10 men - and bashed repeatedly in the head with a metal bollard.
The attack took place in terminal three, one of the most secure and monitored public spaces in Australia.
A shocked Premier, Nathan Rees, immediately announced he would meet the Police Commissioner, Andrew Scipione, this morning to discuss tough new anti-bikie legislation.
"I was sickened by this brazen attack. Violence of this nature particularly in front of families and children is nothing short of disgusting," Mr Rees said.
The attack came hours after the Sydney-based Bandidos had been involved in a series of drive-by shootings at six homes in Auburn, though that is believed to be linked to a feud with another club, Notorious.
The Hells Angel was travelling with other interstate bikies who had flown from Adelaide via Melbourne to reinforce the Bandidos' Blacktown chapter in its war with Notorious, underworld sources said.
"Even if there was airport security there was no way they could have intervened. They came across the turnstiles like a tangled mob," a witness, who did not want to be named, said.
"[There was] a man on the ground and a man smashing his head with this silver bollard - there was nothing [security and police] could have done."
Initial police reports suggested the dead man may also have been stabbed.
The brawl is believed to be linked to a feud between the Hells Angels and the Comanchero gang that erupted after the Angels' Petersham clubhouse was bombed last month.
The fight was believed to have been planned and ranged across the terminal, Detective Inspector Peter Williams from Botany Bay police said.
"We have got a lot of cameras and a lot of witnesses," he said.
Four Comanchero members were arrested in a taxi they left the airport in and have each since been charged with one count of affray. They were being kept at separate police stations, following fears of retribution.
A 25-year-old man from Auburn, a 22-year-old man from Casula, a 21-year-old man from Pemalwuy and a 22-year-old Ingleburn man have all been refused bail and are due to face court today.

At least two more men were being sought by police.

[NickN]

Wow, heavy handed coppers charged them with "affray". That'll do a whole lot of good! Waste of time may as well let them go now.

[Bernie P]

Wow, heavy handed coppers charged them with "affray". That'll do a whole lot of good! Waste of time may as well let them go now.

Charging them now with "affray" will enable them to hold them whilst further investigating the incident. This way, offenders are in custody (thus public is somewhat safe) and hopefully, reduce the possibility of further incidents!

Well done I say to getting these four, whist further investigating who else is involved!

[Nigel C]

If they were the ones who started all of this, then the police might be using affray as a 'holding' charge until they can sort through the footage before laying a more comprehensive set of charges.

Beat me by 2 minutes Bernie!

[Chris Griffiths]

I noted Craig's earlier (now edited) reference to Macquarie and Nigels point about not commenting as matter is in hands of Police.

MAp would be out of this loop anyway as I understand that T3 is the part of SYD not operated by them, is this still true?

Cheers

[NickN]

There won't be any holding when some lame magistrate grants them all bail. Sad to say that is the confidence I have in the judicial system of late. Too many dissapointing decisions and slap-on-the-wrist type penalties.

[Bernie P]

There won't be any holding when some lame magistrate grants them all bail. Sad to say that is the confidence I have in the judicial system of late. Too many dissapointing decisions and slap-on-the-wrist type penalties.

I am afraid that I do not share your 'confidence' in the judicial system! Reasonable note on Friday with a said former Judge sends a pretty good message I think!

Regardless of all of this, I am still shocked at the open-ness (sp) of where this took place, and the inability (so far) of not being able to get these people! Surely every square foot of the terminal is under camera. I would be interested to know, how long did it take security in the terminal to see in unfolding (on monitors somewhere?), to the time they got to where it took place?

[Andrew P]

I can only think of one word - idiots!



actually very bright, where else but an airport would the opposition gang not be in possession of their weapons

Banjo

[Rhys Xanthis]

actually very bright, where else but an airport would the opposition gang not be in possession of their weapons

Banjo

fair call lol, but the chances of you getting away with it = 0!

[Graham B]

Ch 10 said this was a bikie revenge killing... But yeah, pretty stupid doing it with all the surveillance around there. The Ch 10 report also said that the attackers were able to get away in taxis - doesn't say much for the volumes of security that are in place within the terminal.

How the hell did they manage to get a taxi at the airport so quickly????

Benjo

[Sarah C]

How the hell did they manage to get a taxi at the airport so quickly????

Benjo

I am surprised someone from Macquaire wasn't there fining the taxi driver - someone said taxis get fined for picking up people from the departures level and not the arrivals level.

I think bigger questions have to be asked about the owners of the airports - apparently the security changed a lot since they bought the place and it hasn't been for the better. They seem more focused on fining people for picking up passengers without parking than actual security.

[NickN]

I think bigger questions have to be asked about the owners of the airports - apparently the security changed a lot since they bought the place and it hasn't been for the better. They seem more focused on fining people for picking up passengers without parking than actual security.


We ARE talking about Macquarie here. Fines generate revenue, security doesn't.

[Sarah C]

We ARE talking about Macquarie here. Fines generate revenue, security doesn't.

How stupid of me, how could I forget that? ;)

[Bernie P]

Bikie brawl watched by security men
Andrew Clennell, Paul Bibby and Yuko Narushima
March 24, 2009
THE wild brawl between bikies at Sydney Airport in which a man was bludgeoned to death had started with pushing and shoving 15 minutes earlier in view of security officers, raising serious questions over the adequacy of airport security.

Yesterday the Federal Government ducked calls for an inquiry into security arrangements despite court evidence the fight began about 1.30pm on Sunday and ended when the Sydney man Anthony Zervas was bashed to death on the airport floor at 1.45pm.

It emerged yesterday security guards had helped move passengers away from an initial melee but the fight was able to develop until Mr Zervas, the brother of a Hells Angel, was dead.

Yesterday the Premier, Nathan Rees, announced an extra 75 police officers would be allocated to the gang squad, increasing its numbers to 125, in response to Mr Zervas's murder, the latest development in bikie violence in Sydney. The murder investigation would be called Strikeforce Raptor.

The investigation hit a snag yesterday when it was discovered that the quality of the CCTV footage from the terminal was poor. The Herald understands the footage is not clear enough to make an identification.

Mr Rees pledged to introduce legislation by the end of June that would mean certain motorcycle gangs would be "proscribed" - as occurs with terrorist organisations - with bikies able to be jailed for their membership.

"This is a new low in the activities of these criminal gangs," Mr Rees said. "Once, they kept these things between themselves. This has now overlapped into the public domain. That's why we're taking it so seriously; that's why we've moved very swiftly today."

The Police Commissioner, Andrew Scipione, said: "If these people want to act like terrorists, we'll deal with them like they're terrorists."

It is understood the Attorney-General, John Hatzistergos, opposes what he believes are the more draconian measures in the legislation, which is modelled on South Australian laws and which the Government first began discussing with police before Christmas.

But the Opposition Leader, Barry O'Farrell, called for the legislation to be rushed into Parliament this week.

Mr Rees said there was no concern about security at Sydney Airport, saying Mr Zervas's death had been an "isolated incident".

But the federal Opposition Leader, Malcolm Turnbull, said the public had a "right to be alarmed" and called for an emergency meeting of legal and police chiefs to investigate aviation security and gang-related crime.

Twenty-two police officers were on duty at the airport on Sunday but witnesses suggested a lack of co-ordination between them and security guards.

Witnesses said a group of Comanchero gang members and a group of Hells Angels were verbally abusing each other from the moment they all stepped off Qantas flight 430 from Melbourne and that private security officers hired by the airline to look after baggage screening were aware something was going on.

This was backed by a police report tendered in court yesterday when four men appeared on affray charges.

One witness told the Herald: "There was an alertness among the security officers at the gate that this bunch of very big, aggressive blokes had just walked past. They were talking quite animatedly into their radios."

The Herald has learnt that the security officers - from SMP - are not able to contact their federal police counterparts directly but must radio their head office, which in turn notifies the police.

A triple-0 call was made from the airport at 1.43pm and records show NSW police attended at 1.47pm.

The federal Home Affairs Minister, Bob Debus, said there was no need for an inquiry into airport security because "we have to allow the [police] investigation to run its course without constant speculation about what occurred.

"No one can guarantee events like this will never occur. This was an event which happened very quickly and with no forewarning." He was backed by Mr Scipione, who said: "You can't have a police officer every three feet or one metre in a terminal."

The president of the Police Federation of Australia, Mark Burgess, said airports had been understaffed by 35 per cent since state and federal governments agreed to staff them jointly in September 2005.

"A state could find it very easy to say, 'We're not going to put extra police at our airport because it's not really our responsibility'," Mr Burgess said.
Source: SMH (http://www.smh.com.au/national/bikie-brawl-watched-by-security-men-20090323-97gf.html?page=-1)

Kind of disturbing really...

[NickN]

Normally you can't look left or right at the terminals without seeing AFP. How this managed to escalate to the point of someone being murdered is bewildering.

[NickN]

As more details emerged in court it became clear Qantas failed to alert Sydney airport security despite feuding between Hells Angels and Comancheros beginning on the flight from Melbourne.



Was only a matter of time before Qantas copped the blame for something.

[Simon L.]

Having worked at a few airports before, I have to say the lack of coordination and communication across various agencies/operators/airlines etc. certainly makes some situations end up with much worse outcomes than they could have been if the matters were dealt with more swiftly.

[Graham B]

I am surprised someone from Macquaire wasn't there fining the taxi driver - someone said taxis get fined for picking up people from the departures level and not the arrivals level.

I think bigger questions have to be asked about the owners of the airports - apparently the security changed a lot since they bought the place and it hasn't been for the better. They seem more focused on fining people for picking up passengers without parking than actual security.

A bit off topic but the traffic fines they hand out are the airport are not legal or enforceable , if you get one just ignore it, they may send you a reminder but they dont go any further ( because they know they are not legal)

Benjo

[Andrew McLaughlin]

A bit off topic but the traffic fines they hand out are the airport are not legal or enforceable, if you get one just ignore it, they may send you a reminder but they dont go any further ( because they know they are not legal)

:mad:I would recommend everyone ignores this advice unless they have first hand legal advice that supports it.

[Simon L.]

:mad:I would recommend everyone ignores this advice unless they have first hand legal advice that supports it.

I agree with Andrew on this one. Not sure what they do at Sydney airport, but a few airports I know of actually issue traffic/parking infringements legally enforcable and these include tickets issued by both airport parking inspectors as well as State/Federal police officers.

[Greg McDonald]

A bit off topic but the traffic fines they hand out are the airport are not legal or enforceable , if you get one just ignore it, they may send you a reminder but they dont go any further ( because they know they are not legal)

Benjo

I've heard of this before. It's something to do with the fact that they have had their own 'no standing' and 'no stopping' signs printed with their own messages. They are not the standard signs placed by the council and therefore are supposedly illegal and not enforceable. Not sure how true this is but thats the story!!

[Jonno J]

A bit off topic but the traffic fines they hand out are the airport are not legal or enforceable , if you get one just ignore it, they may send you a reminder but they dont go any further ( because they know they are not legal)

Benjo

WRONG! Strongly recommend all to disregard this unless you have informed legal advice in writing....or you will most likely face full legal consequences.....just ask me .....and no I'm not anything to do with legal profession :)

[Sarah C]

I still think they are relying too much on the "hidden security" - they obviously have cameras and other things to monitor things so passengers don't know if they are watched. As much as it is over the top, security gaurds at both the check in a gate level is needed (and more of them). Guys with big guns in places like Asia, Europe and the US really do send a message and maybe Australia (unfortunately) needs to go that way.

What worries me is that they will review all security and spotting areas will come under threat. We are lucky we have so many areas to watch aircraft, I would hate that to be taken away.

[Bernie P]

What worries me is that they will review all security and spotting areas will come under threat. We are lucky we have so many areas to watch aircraft, I would hate that to be taken away.

Here HERE!!!

[Philip Argy]

A bit off topic but the traffic fines they hand out are the airport are not legal or enforceable , if you get one just ignore it, they may send you a reminder but they dont go any further ( because they know they are not legal)

Benjo

I'd suggest people ignore Graham's advice and read this instead: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/num_reg_es/aooaar200122001n170705.html

[Grant Smith]

OK, that's 5 worthless and stupid posts in a row on a subject which is otherwise a serious one - can we get back on track please folks? :rolleyes:

Here you go Mr McLaughlin (http://"http://www.smh.com.au/national/come-on-boys-lets-go-battle-cry-that-led-to-a-brutal-killing-20090323-97gg.html), as requested :cool:

[Graham B]

I'd suggest people ignore Graham's advice and read this instead: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/num_reg_es/aooaar200122001n170705.html

You may be correct Phil they may be "legal" but from what I have been told by someone that operates an airport shuttle business is that he has quite a large amount of "unpaid" infringement notices dating back over a couple of years or more but has not once had any legal action taken to recover any of the fines.

Benjo

[Nigel C]

I've heard of this before. It's something to do with the fact that they have had their own 'no standing' and 'no stopping' signs printed with their own messages. They are not the standard signs placed by the council and therefore are supposedly illegal and not enforceable. Not sure how true this is but thats the story!!


I've no knowledge on this topic, but just a thought...
Botany Council are the contracted airport grounds people, would this negate the 'non-standard signs' argument being bandied about?:confused::confused::confused:

[Robert S]

they don't exactly have "BIKER" tattooed on their forehead either.

You're right. :)

http://www.smh.com.au/national/courting-trouble-bikie-supporter-arrested-for-spitting-20090324-98nq.html

The incident came as the man, wearing a white singlet and the words "Bandit" tattooed on his throat, stuck his finger up at the photographer and appeared to make a slashing movement near his throat before spitting at him.

Generally,

The reporting today is suggesting that things were brewing (http://www.smh.com.au/national/come-on-boys-lets-go-battle-cry-that-led-to-a-brutal-killing-20090323-97gg.html) on the aircraft and I've read other reports of crew apparently noticing tensions on board. There are also queries over the quality of the CCTV system in the terminal not being sufficient for identification and therefore limiting its value. I don't think it unreasonable to suggest that Qantas may need to consider if there were things they could have handled better.

[NickN]

the words "Bandit" tattooed on his throat

I doubt the majority of bikies have it tattooed on their throat. At least the ones on the flight didn't.