Noisy aircraft to be banned from Sydney.

[Paul Hunter]

I couldn't find any reference to this in other threads.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/29/2859284.htm?section=justin

I also believe this will take effect from September 1, 2010.

This sounds like the death knell for the DHL 727, amongst others around Australia.

Regards.

[Nigel C]

I wonder how they'll manage the odd 'noisy' military aircraft? Exemptions I presume?

Also, does anyone know what replacement, if any, DHL will use for the Jedi (727)?

[Nigel C]

Is the Grayndler electorate now considered particularly marginal?

Not as of the 1st April 2010.
The RWY 25 RESA project will be officially completed that day (finally!), and you can almost bet your bottom dollar there'll be political pressure from said Grayndler electorate to have as much noise being redirected over the east/west flight paths as legally possible using LTOPS in the lead up to the next election.

Regards,
Cynical

[Greg McDonald]

This policy to me is a populist boondoggle.

Hey Nige....I respectfully suggest that you alter your signature to include the quoted gem....classic stuff!

[Matt_L]

Absolute joke.

Can be expected of Anthony Albanese. Ever since they got elected and infact ever since hes been member of Grayndler hes been complaining like a baby about the airport.

Fact of the matter like those who are complaining here in Melbourne at Moorabbin is that the airport has been there for a long long time- infact longer then most of the residents- unless you have a huge population of 80-90 yr olds and i doubt that :) and people have got to learn to live if they decide to purchase a place within there.

[Kent Broadhead]

Let's just get a couple of things straight about the "No Aircraft Noise" stuff - it grew out of the opening of 16L/34R, which changed flight paths quite dramatically, combined with weather patterns in the few months after opening which saw 34L/R in use for the huge majority of time.

And then Howard introduced "noise sharing", which saw areas which had never been affected by aircraft noise become affected. Not just the oldies - we bought our place so as not to have a flight path directly overhead, and were impacted by these changes.

As for the announcement re. noisy planes, it does strike me as pointless, populist BS given there are so few of them anyway. And Grayndler was the safest Labor seat in the country after the last Federal election.....

[Andrew P]

As for the announcement re. noisy planes, it does strike me as pointless, populist BS given there are so few of them anyway. .

it all directed at one plane , the 727 that takes off every weeknight about 10.30pm, last night it went up over Pymble, and yes it is very noisy, (when compared to all other planes taking off at the same time)

[Nigel C]

And Grayndler was the safest Labor seat in the country after the last Federal election.....

When you can whine like a Rolls Royce RB-211 to your electorate every election about one of Sydney's biggest employment workplaces over an issue like noise, and probably claim you're going to do something about it, you're going to seem popular to the people every time. It also helps that the Member for Grayndler is also the Transport Minister...:rolleyes:

[Paul Hunter]

Reports this morning also saying the "Giant Antonov" is included in this.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/travel/news/noisy-727s-banned-from-australian-airports/story-e6frg8ro-1225847275986

Can only assume they mean the Antonov 124.

Will make moving outsize loads very difficult unless they make dispensations available until the re-engined Antonov's appear.

Regards.

[Nigel C]

Having stood quite literally next to the runway for many a take-off of the An124, I can't see what the problem with them is. They're really not that loud.

Maybe it's the 5 minute run-up on the threshold that's giving the Member for Grayndler the poops:rolleyes:

[Nigel C]

If he is referring to banning the An124, then perhaps Mr Albanese needs to look at past Australian Defence Force contracts for heavy lift operations to see that the Federal Government themselves have had a requirement for these aircraft...:rolleyes:

[Andrew P]

here is the actaul p[ress release

Government To Ban Old, Noisy Freight Jets (http://www.minister.infrastructure.gov.au/aa/releases/2010/March/AA145_2010.htm)

it lists B727-100, B727-200, Antonov AN-124, DC86

it bans them from Australia's major airports, it does not ban them from Australian airspace, so don't worry about defence, they can us Avalon, Richmond, Amberley, Darwin, Bankstown, etc, etc

[Paul f.]

DC86:confused: i think they mean DC-8-61.

[Nigel C]

so don't worry about defence, they can us Avalon, Richmond, Amberley, Darwin, Bankstown, etc, etc

An An-124 using Bankstown??? Uh huh.:rolleyes:


When's the next Federal election? Oh, that's right...October or November 2010, just a month or so after this 'ban' comes into force. How convenient!:rolleyes:
It looks like yet another vote buying exercise from this Govt.

[Kent Broadhead]

Any bets on what will replace the DHL 727 flights? A 757 would be nice......

[Jayden Laing]

If people are complaining about noisy aircraft, whats then said about people who drive their cars with their big noisy exhaust systems & "doof doof" music????

[Nigel C]

The police and their defect notices should be taking care of that noise issue....although they seem more keen on having a shot at the minority of bike riders with sports exhausts. But that's for another forum...

[Adam P.]

The police and their defect notices should be taking care of that noise issue
Surely noisy garage bands are more of a concern, Nigel??:eek:

[Bernie P]

If people are complaining about noisy aircraft, whats then said about people who drive their cars with their big noisy exhaust systems & "doof doof" music????You MUST be talking about my neighbours!! If it isnt them, then its the visitors to lazy to get out of car and go to door and knock... Much easier to sit in the MIDDLE of the road and blast the horn!! But then again, no where NEAR as excieting as a couple of Sundays ago when 7 cars, and a dozen or so police turned up at around 3pm! Eventually, after midnight after sourcing a warrant, they seized the Blue Pajero 4WD (google it and Western Sydney, say Guildford or Merrylands for more info) for further testing...
The police and their defect notices should be taking care of that noise issue....although they seem more keen on having a shot at the minority of bike riders with sports exhausts. But that's for another forum...
There is also the DECCW for NSW Noise Hotline!

Back on topic, but when the 16's are in operation, there is a lot of aircraft noise above my house that then do a sweeping right hand turn to line up... I tell you what, give me a 744, 77W and even a 763 anyday over any of the Jetstar/Tiger/Air NZ A320's... They seem to scream through a high pitch noise and then dulls down to a somewhat 'normal' humm! A380 movements are not that bad either FWIW, and it maybe just the sheer volume of numbers in the 737 and A320 fleets, but they are annoying as well! Ok, its not like Drumoyne, St Peters area, but I still get a lot of noise!

[Steve S... 2]

Bring back all 727's! :)

All about politics if you ask me.

[Paul Hunter]

DC86:confused: i think they mean DC-8-61.

DC86 is the ICAO code we use for this aircraft type.

Regards.

[Nigel C]

Speaking of DC-8's, there's one due in Sydney in a day or two. And just for the Ministers sake, I hope it lands 16R and departs 34L.;)


For unscheduled 'noisy' aircraft, why don't they just do what they used to do for the Concorde years ago and insist all arrivals are in the 34 direction, and departures in the 16 direction, that way the movements go more over water and less over population???

[Tony G]

I hope your not joking. Is there one coming in. I was going to say it has been too long since I have seen a DC-8 or a 707 at Sydney.

Bring back the 707:D. I guess the DC8s with upgraded engines such as the dash 73 will not be an issue.

[Nigel C]

I hope your not joking.

Me? Joke? Surely that one will end up in the memorable quotes thread...

And no, I'm not joking.;)


Or am I???

[Sarah C]

Bring back all 727's! :)

All about politics if you ask me.

Agree on both counts - I loved the 727's, the noise, the smoke.........

It is totally political. Remember that election that is coming up?

[Raymond Rowe]

The Dc9's the whistle pigs(F27) and the F28's all make lots of noise and planty of BLACK SMOKE.

[NeilP]

Speaking of DC-8's, there's one due in Sydney in a day or two.

Who? What? When?

[Tony G]

I think he is just being a cruel man, playing with my emotions he is:p. I would take time of work to get a few shots of a dc8. Why can't James packer take after his dad and use a dc8:D. Or better still get John travolta to move to Sydney and bring his toys.

[D Chan]

Populist policy in an election year. Yet another ploy by politicians to win quick votes.

Don't you just wish you can mute the noises made by the anti-aircraft groups?
The amount of movements probably have increased year on year but they don't seem to realise aircraft have gone quieter and quieter compared to the days of the 707s, 727s and DC8s

[Nigel C]

I think he is just being a cruel man, playing with my emotions he is:p. I would take time of work to get a few shots of a dc8.

Cruel man? Is that an attempt to get into the memorable quotes thread?:p

No point in taking time off work to get a few shots...an African International DC-8 is expected to arrive tomorrow morning at ~0605, which is well before first light. As long as you're off work during daylight hours you should be able to get a shot or two before it leaves.

[Brian Wilkes]

There looking at re-placing "JEDI" with a 757F.

[Kent Broadhead]

There looking at re-placing "JEDI" with a 757F. As I expected - thanks

[Nigel C]

No sign of the DC-8 yet?

[Stephen Brown]

Maybe you should go down to Albion park at look at the DC-4 twice.

[Jethro H]

By the way, this new regulation is not just Sydney. This is in a letter from the Minister

....
This course of action was first foreshadowed in our aviation Green Paper (December 2008) and then restated as government policy in the aviation White Paper which I released last December.

Under the new regulation, the ban on older, ‘marginally noise-compliant’ jets such as Boeing 727s will be phased in.

From 1 July 2010, no new services using these types of aircraft will be allowed at Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide, Hobart, Darwin, Cairns, Gold Coast, Essendon, Newcastle (Williamtown), Avalon and Canberra airports.

From 1 September 2010, all existing services will cease at Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, and Perth.

For example, from September the noisy Boeing 727 freight plane that currently flies over thousands of houses in Sydney late on weeknights will no longer do so.

Marginally compliant aircraft are predominantly used in the air freight industry and have been an ongoing source of concern for residents around Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth airports.

These aircraft were certified to operate following modifications to meet aircraft noise standards issued in the 1970s. Most have been fitted with ‘hush kits’ which entitles them to a ‘marginally compliant’ rating under the 1977 regulation.

The new regulation also makes provision for a marginally compliant aircraft to operate in cases of emergency and, in limited cases, where a flight is in the public interest.

Airports and air freight operators have been advised of the Government’s intention to have the new regulation in place by 1 July and my Department will work with industry to ensure its smooth introduction.

[Tony G]

No sign of the DC-8 yet?

Thanks for posting anyway. Could not make it, work.

[Nigel C]

It may still turn up...it was meant to arrive this morning from Singapore as flight "MAG212", an African International bird. I think there has been previous delays with this arrival, but it should have made an appearance by now.

Given its arrival hasn't been mentioned here yet I can only presume it's still on its way.

[Blake Riley]

Any Sign or Information about the Dc-8 into sydney.?

[Paul f.]

Todays date might be the answer:p

[Jarden S]

What will happen to the HeavyLift 727 based in CNS. Will that still operate or will it be grounded?

[Nigel C]

As per the Press release link already quoted in this thread http://www.minister.infrastructure.gov.au/aa/releases/2010/March/AA145_2010.htm
From 1 July 2010, no new services using these types of aircraft will be allowed at Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide, Hobart, Darwin, Cairns, Gold Coast, Essendon, Newcastle (Williamtown), Avalon and Canberra airports.

From 1 September 2010, all existing services will cease at Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, and Perth.

[lloyd fox]

Jarden ,the 727 in CNS does not fly it is the one here in BNE only that does.RP-C8017 based in BNE does all the flying.Sure it does do the odd flight into CNS.

I would assume that is why Heavylift have been leasing Asia Pacific 722F recently out of BNE is that RP-C8017 was due for maintenance but now why bother, when they will be banned from Sep just lease a aircraft when required ???

Yes from 01 sep they will have to find another aircraft type?

[Jarden S]

I never seen it move from its park at the airport in 5 years, the grass is growing under its wheels now.

[lloyd fox]

MAG 212 the DC8 is due today later on -no times.

[Phil M]

About 11am? Or a bit before.

[Gerard M]

9G-AXB is the rego. Just up on PP now.

[Mark T]

It wasn't the DC8 that we were originally expecting and it wasn't that noisy, Mr Albanese :-) Meridian Airways DC8-63F arrived about 11.10am.

Cheers
Mark

[lloyd fox]

From another board Heavylift are to get 2 x 733F from Europe. RP-C8017 currently in MNL wont be back .