Batavia and others planning Australia flights

[lloyd fox]

PER,SYD,MEL for Batavia

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/dirplus/images/travelweekly/TravelTodayPDF/26_07_2010.pdf

Also see below from Capa news.

Five Indonesian carriers, Batavia Airlines, Sriwijaya Air, Mandala Airlines, Lion Air, and Indonesia AirAsia have applied for a share of the additional 4,000 weekly seats between Indonesia and Australia, according to a Kompas.com report. The Australian-Indonesian bilateral air services agreement was recently expanded, allowing each side's airlines to increase capacity from 10,800 to 14,800 seats per week.

[Jarden S]

China’s Hainan Airlines is
exploring opportunities to fly
into Australia from Beijing and
Shanghai with its parent company
set to invest up to $US200m in the
Australian market.
The entire board of HNA Group,
comprising 318 delegates, will
arrive in Sydney tomorrow to
assess investment opportunities
and meet with senior government
ministers. It’s believed direct air
services will be a major focus of
talks.
Tourism Australia indicated last
month it was keen to partner with
airlines in China on marketing
initiatives to drive visitation
between the two countries.
HNA Group is a major
shareholder in Hong Kong Aviation
Company, which leases and
manages 68 aircraft to airlines
such as Qantas and Emirates.
“We have a long-term view to
deploy significant capital in the
Asia Pacific region and Australia
is at the core of our international
expansion strategy,” said HNA
Group executive director Adam
Tan,
The boss of Hong Kong Aviation
Capital, Mathis Shinnick, said
the goal is to “double our aviation
portfolio over the next year”.
The HNA Group recently put
in a joint bid to one of the largest
seaports in Australia, with
investment opportunities also
sought in the aviation, hospitality
and tourism industries
http://www.travelweekly.com.au/dirplus/images/travelweekly/TravelTodayPDF/26_07_2010.pdf

[lloyd fox]

Jarden this is already posted under the China Hainan thread.

[Jarden S]

Another story on this from:http://www.centreforaviation.com/news/2010/07/23/five-indonesian-airlines-seek-rights-to-australia-batavia-sriwijaya-mandala-lion-air--airasia/page1


Five Indonesian carriers, Batavia Airlines, Sriwijaya Air, Mandala Airlines, Lion Air, and Indonesia AirAsia have applied for a share of the additional 4,000 weekly seats between Indonesia and Australia, according to a Kompas.com report. The Australian-Indonesian bilateral air services agreement was recently expanded, allowing each side's airlines to increase capacity from 10,800 to 14,800 seats per week.

Batavia Air has received verbal in-principle approval to operate to Australia (destinations not disclosed), according to the report. Indonesia AirAsia, which already operates to Perth, has applied to launch four times weekly Denpasar-Darwin A320 service in Oct-2010, to replace routes suspended by Garuda Indonesia. Jetstar's Australian operation also operates on the route with A320 equipment. This will increase the competitive pressure on flag carrier Gaaruda, as it seeks to turn around its operation, as well as enhancing Indonesia's inbound tourism opportunities.

There is talk on another website that Batavia will use the A319 to Perth and their brand new A330-200 to Sydney and Melbourne all serving Denpasar.

[lloyd fox]

Thanks Jarden,can i explain to some a.net posters and other web sites, that i do not post on, that these 4,000 seats increase applies only to BNE,SYD,MEL,PER.These 4 cities only.All other towns and cities such as OOL,ADL,CNS,PHE,DRW etc etc have unlimited flights available to them.Eg Air Asia could fly 20 times a day to Indonesia from DRW if they wanted to.They still have to get permission from both countries aviation authorities to do so BUT they are not limited to how many flights they can operate.THE 4,000 seats are only limited to those 4 cities of BNE,SYD,MEL and PER.So if all these 5 indonesian airlines are applying for these 4,000 seats then they plan to only use these seats to some or all of those 4 bigger cities.

I do know that some people on a.net and other boards do not understand this fact.

[lloyd fox]

From the IASC web site

REGISTER OF AVAILABLE CAPACITY
Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local
Government
INDONESIA
DESIGNATION STATUS: MULTIPLE
AVAILABLE CAPACITY:
(a) Unrestricted capacity between points in Australia, except Sydney, Melbourne
(including Avalon), Brisbane and Perth.
(b) 4000 seats per week in each direction to and from Sydney, Melbourne (including
Avalon), Brisbane and Perth.
Note: In the event that an Australian airline or airlines wish to operate capacity which
would result in the total capacity available in paragraph (b) above, being exceeded by
an amount of 150 seats or less, the aeronautical authorities will permit such minor
variations.
ALL CARGO CAPACITY:
Three (3) all cargo services per week in each direction with any aircraft type.

[Jarden S]

It has been reported in the Cairns post that Air Asia is considering serving Cairns non stop from DPS would the A320 have the range for that I wonder?

[Jarden S]

Batavia flights to
start this month
Indonesian carrier Batavia Air
plans to launch its Perth to
Denpasar flights from August
26, the airline has told Travel
Today. Batavia announced
yesterday it will begin
operations firstly to Western
Australia with Melbourne and
Sydney to follow.
http://www.travelweekly.com.au/dirplus/images/travelweekly/TravelTodayPDF/27_07_2010.pdf

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[Jarden S]

Qantas, Strategic Airlines and
Pacific Blue have pleaded their
cases to the air services regulator
in a bid to secure additional
capacity between Australia and
Indonesia.
The carriers have filed
submissions with the International
Air Services Commission after
a further 4,000 seats were made
available on the route last month
(Travel Today, July 26).
The route has seen extraordinary
growth in the past year, carrying
1.26 million passengers in the 12
months to June. Six carriers now
ply the route and more are expected
to begin operations this year.
However Qantas, Strategic
and Pacific Blue all claim there
is sufficient demand to justify a
capacity increase.
Qantas, which has applied
for 3,898 of the available seats,
argued that Jetstar’s increase in
market share of 15 percentage
points in the past three years has
masked an overall group decline
of five points. Qantas’s share has
fallen by 20 points in the same
period, said David Epstein, Qantas
group executive, government and
corporate affairs.
In addition, Jetstar has been
unable to price match competitors
between Perth and Denpasar
because of its lack of capacity, the
submission states.
Qantas also took a veiled swipe
at Strategic Airlines’ application for
1716 seats, saying it was surprised
that a “small local player to date,
suddenly has the capability to
undertake such a large increase in
services”.
Strategic, however, described
its sales as “extraordinary”, with
head of commercial, Damien Vasta
telling the IASC that he expects
the carrier to have sold 20,000
seats by early October. Vasta said
the three times weekly Perth-
Denpasar service will be ramped up
to daily by March 31, 2011 should
its application be successful.
Direct flights from Brisbane and
Melbourne to Denpasar will also be
introduced as early as June 30, 2011.
Pacific Blue, which has applied
for 2,340 seats, said fares have
“demonstrably lowered” since its
entry on the route in November
2008. The new capacity will
allow Pacific Blue to “maintain
competitive pressure” in a market
which has grown 43% since its
entry.
http://www.travelweekly.com.au/dirplus/images/travelweekly/TravelTodayPDF/20_08_2010.pdf

[Jarden S]

Perth to Bali airfares could be as low as $100 when new price war starts:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/7665066/100-bali-fares-likely-in-air-war/

[Jarden S]

Indonesian carrier Batavia Air has
pushed back the launch of Perth
flights until at least December.
Commercial director,
Hasudungan Pandiangan, told
Travel Today the plan is for flights
to commence on December 10.
The delay comes as the airline
awaits regulatory approval from
Indonesian authorities and from the
Civil Aviation Safety Authority in
Australia.
http://www.travelweekly.com.au/getattachment/fed0f1c0-29b6-48a3-9138-c90f21c82623/pdf.aspx

[Owen H]

Isn't it just wonderful how you are allowed to announce and advertise flights for which you have no approvals to operate.

[James M Smith]

Does Australia really need more services from Indonesian airlines?

Are the aviation safety standards in that country appreciably any better now than they were when Garuda was banned from the EU?

[Greg McDonald]

Maybe a tiny bit better but if we try to ban Indo airlines there would be retaliation from their government against our airlines.

[Justin L]

Further from Greg's comment, and if any retaliation from the Indonesian government meant Australian airlines couldn't fly over Indonesian air space, then that would cause huge problems for flights heading northwest towards SIN, BKK, KUL, etc.