QF 734 retirement plan

[Brent L]

Hi,

Just wondering what the current plan is with QF retiring the 737-400. I realise they still have quite a few in the fleet. Is it a 1 for 1 replacement with the 738. Will the new 738 have the new inside, or staying the same. Sorry if this has been covered before, but if it has, please let me know and lock this.

[Jason Carruthers]

As far as I know their entire 737-400 fleet is advertised for sale. With 19 active and 1 stored and ~21 737-800 outstanding it will be almost a 1:1 replacement. There was talk that Qantas was deferring narrow body deliveries however it was not clear if it was their 737-800, Jetstar's A320 or Qlink's Q400's. All new 737 delivery will feature the new interior and I believe Boeing Sky Interior as well. I expect Jetconnect's 2 737-400 to be retired before mainline. The question remains whether their existing 737-800, A330 and newer 767 fleets will be fitted out with the new product at some point.

[Oliver Gigacz]

I think QF announced that they will fit the newest 763s with the new product.

[Craig Murray]

Oliver, a friendly tip - when using the "Reply With Quote" button please edit the quote to include ONLY the relevant text rather than quoting the whole message.

[Brad Myer]

VH-TJM has already been withdrawn along with a jetconnect B734 (not sure the rego)

B734 ZK-TJS has returned to the QF mainline fleet as VH-TJZ.

Jetconnect currently only has 2 B734s in service both these will be gone by SEP replaced by more new B73Hs.

Thanks

[lloyd fox]

Brad ZK-JTR transitted BNE last week off to a Indonesian airline.

[Peter Agatsiotis]

VH-TJT ferried Melbourne-Darwin yesterday devoid of titles/logo (credit to G Reid).

[Brad Myer]

I assume the last 2 jetconnect B734s will be retired rather than moved into the mainline fleet???

[Peter Agatsiotis]

Probably retired Brad, Jet Connect now have their 8 738's.

Gordon also advised that ZK-JTP was WFS at AKL on Aug 12 and JTQ will most likely be WFS soon.

My records show that JTP was last in SYD on 2nd Aug and JTQ was last here on 23 July.

[Jamie D]

Just an update on the former VH-TJM and ZK-JTR, both are currently in budapest awaiting repaint into their new operators colors believed to be Kyrgyz Airlines.
Both have been re registered N248SY & N249SY to Bank Of Utah

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-%28Centauri-RP/Boeing-737-476/1973145/L/&sid=e918754f391654c5acb7b083c9466718

[Oliver Gigacz]

Classic 737s will be a rare site in Australia soon, only AAE and Our Airline.

One of my upcoming flights in November is scheduled to be a 734, possibly the last time I will fly them with QF.

[Andi O]

Toll, Heavylift....

[Shayne G]

You could also add ex Ozjet 737-200's sitting at Perth Airport and the one at Jandakot Airport as they are still a 'sight' :D

[Peter Agatsiotis]

VH-TJT is also at Budapest now according to Skyliner news.

[Jarden S]

I bet that will please some of the Budapest spotters to see some QF metal in town

[Peter Agatsiotis]

Well they're going down fighting:p, ZK-JTQ was on QF 55 yesterday morning after overnighting.

[Brent L]

Hello everyone
I am back from 3 weeks overseas

Ironically was in Hungary for 13 days and didn't see any QF 737's.. Not that I would of known..

Anyway, in my other post, my JQ flight was cancelled from MEL-SIN, so they put us on the direct one to BKK which was better for us.

[Max C]

ZK-JTR now painted in the colours of Samair

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Samair/Boeing-737-476/1981094/L/

[Dave Dale]

I notice they only painted the main logo on - still has the Boeing 737 and some rego anomalies up on that area of the aircraft.

[Zac M]

As some may have seen on 'theqantassource.com' (which I am not certain is always reliable), the two grounded 737s are TJF and TJO which are now at Avalon, I doubt they will be in service again.

[Lukas M]

Here are two at AVV from this evening. OGR and TJW.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6048/6259573581_ac97dea016_z.jpg

First time I have seen QF Metal parked on the terminal apron. Its usually just the Jetstar and Tigers.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6232/6260101724_520f8055d0_z.jpg

[James S.]

The only colour I can imagine them being painted is green.... :\

[Brad Myer]

The B734s to AAE perhaps??

[Brian Wilkes]

Jetstar:eek:

[Dave Dale]

Or the new airline, RedQ or Qantasia

[Mick F]

I'm going for green tails, either AAE or Toll?

[Max C]

Mightn't be Aus based but it's a new start up with 734's and green tail...

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7218609&nseq=1

[Zac M]

TJJ is down there as well supposedly.

Is OGR the only 767 down there, or is there other?

[James S.]

This is probably a stretch but is there a possibility Network could get them? How would the 734 work for FIFO operations and charters? Just a wild idea, curious to know how they'd fit in, although I suppose the F100 is a better aircraft.

[Dave Dale]

A few 737-400's have been listed for sale on 22/11/2011:

s/n 24446 VH-TJU
s/n 24433 VH-TJH
s/n 26961 VH-TJW
s/n 24440 VH-TJO
s/n 24431 VH-TJF

all listed 'as is, where is'.

Dave

[Brad Myer]

I think VH-TJF has already been sold and left our shores?

VH-TJO is meant to be leaving in the next 2 weeks.

Thanks

[Brad Myer]

Seems VH-TJO hasn't operated since Dec 20th, maybe being prepared for retirement?

Guessing we will be seeing a fair few B734s leave the fleet in 2012.

Thanks

[Andrew Johnson]

You could also add ex Ozjet 737-200's sitting at Perth Airport and the one at Jandakot Airport as they are still a 'sight' :D

Are these 732's still airworthy ?

Who owns them now ?

Think Strategic bought the Ozjet AOC.

Presume they still have the new business class only interiors or have they been ripped out ?

[Brad Varney]

TJO's still going strong saw her on tuesday.
Hopefully when Albanese goes, the noisy jet ban will be lifted and those 732's might still fly here.

[Brad Myer]

VH-TJO hasn't operated a flight this month, so it seems she has finally been withdrawn from service.

Anyone know more?

Thanks

[Paul f.]

Not sure of the reg but there is a 734 parked outside the QF hangers at MEL with the QF logos removed.

[Dave Dale]

ZK-JTQ ex Jetconnect 737-400 has been sold and now painted in Alliance colours. Saw it in Auckland last week. MRC Aviation blog has information that it will do FIFO work in Western Australia.

Dave

[Stefan Perkas]

Afternoon all,

VH-TJO just arrived in Sydney from Melbourne as QF6019. Currently parked at the Cargo ramp (Gate 1?) I think)

[Shayne G]

Noticed QF6021 to Guangzhou departing at 20:05 tomorrow , this might be TJO or OGE departing Australia tomorrow.

[Zac M]

Probably a 747 going for repaint....OEF or OEH.

[lloyd fox]

ZK-JTQ now in BNE.Arrived around 1730 yesterday as AWK 001 from AKL.

[Jarden S]

Nice to see a picture of her 1st Alliance 737

[Peter S.]

Noticed QF6021 to Guangzhou departing at 20:05 tomorrow , this might be TJO or OGE departing Australia tomorrow.

Probably a 747 going for repaint....OEF or OEH.

It will be VH-OJT - as expected a 744 - for painting.

[lloyd fox]

There is a pic on Jetphotos of the Alliance landing at BNE.

[Steve S... 2]

Aircraft looks young again.

But look at the underside of the rear fuselage, must have had gravel rash lol.

[Shayne G]

Probably a 747 going for repaint....OEF or OEH.

It will be VH-OJT - as expected a 744 - for painting.


Thanks Peter and Zac, thought occured it might be a B744 repaint but I would of thought they would go to Xiamen. A bit dissapointed OJT is getting repainted it is one of the few still with the "The Spirt of Australia" titles, they are rapidly dissapearing now.

[Darren T.]

Msn2444o & msn24531 left yssy this morning with red tails. One with aussie rego, the other sporting u.s. Rego.

[Philip Quinlan]

is ZK-JTQ operating on Airwork NZL AOC ?

Does anyone know what precisely it's being used for ?

[Todd Hendry]

Yet again another awesome photo Chris.

Love it.

Todd.

[Sarah C]

Agree Todd, another top shot Chris.

[Brad Myer]

VH-TJW has left our shores bound for Victorville.

[Bernie P]

As mentioned, and photographed - http://yssyforum.net/board/showpost.php?p=71584&postcount=4

[Brad Myer]

Anyone have any updates on more B734 retirements? Seems to have gone very quiet...

Cheers

[Zac M]

What's next to go? Only 10 left by my count....

[Brad Myer]

Yep only 10 left... VH-TJE was the latest retirement on the 16th of October.

Cheers

[Zac M]

TJY hasn't flown since October 29 and is in Melbourne, am I right in saying that is the next to go?

[Zac M]

I post that and the next day it's back in service, ops QFA848(?)

[Zac M]

Is TJX at Avalon for maintenance? It has been down there well over a month.

[Jamie D]

I couldn't see a rego but there is a 734 in the hanger at tulla minus titles and roo so another on its way out

[Zac M]

VH-TJG I believe, only one I haven't seen at work this week.

[Mark Grima]

According to flightaware TJG last operated a scheduled service on 26/11/12. A flight into MEL from CBR.

Cheers

M

[Brad Myer]

QF will take delivery of 8 new 737-800s over the next 12 months so we should see all the B734s gone by the end of 2013.

[Paul Hunter]

TJG arrived this afternoon from Melbourne. Qantas titles and kangaroo removed. Parked at bay 50 ITB. I guess it will depart to Apia Tuesday morning.

regards.

[Luke Chittock]

Arrived as QF6027/03DEC at 1555hrs ex MEL. Departed as QF6027/04DEC at 0604hrs, route SYD-APW-HNL-VCV.

[Dave C]

Does anybody know how many are left?

[Rowan McKeever]

TJG's departure makes 11 according to current CASA register.

[Zac M]

There is 9 left, three of which are currebtly out of service
TJI
TJJ
TJK
TJL
TJR
TJS...out of service in CBR since 4/12 due mechanical
TJX...out of service in Avalon since mid October
TJY...out of service in Sydney since 1/12, before that was at CBR since 27/11 due mechanical
TJZ

[Zac M]

Have noticed they seem to take each one out of service for about a week at a time, however TJJ has been in MEL sine the 8th, can anyone confirm it is the next withdrawal?

[Noel White]

Is VH-TJZ still active?

[Matthew Ayto]

It sure is, arrived at Sydney this morning as QF704:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHTJZ

[Zac M]

TJJ is back today

[Shayne G]

Another classic bites the dust :(

VH-TJK B734 has been withdrawn from use.

Ferries up to SYD devoid of titles 22APR in afternoon.

Departs SYD 23APR 0605.



Subject to change as these flights tend to be delayed*

[Greg Hyde]

TJK departed as scheduled for Victorville via Apia & Honolulu

[Andrew M]

Sad to see these old workhorses leave the fleet :(

The last legacy of TAA

[Zac M]

Looks like TJR has been pulled from service, in Melbourne since Sunday night.

[MarkR]

Sad to see these old workhorses leave the fleet :(

The last legacy of TAA

Not quite, there are the AAE 733s still flying, albeit slight modified to their days in TAA service.

[Damian N]

.....I think you will find the 733's never wore TAA livery as they were the canvass for the launch of Australian Airlines. Out of curiosity I wonder what was the last TAA aircraft in the QF fleet - I would assume it was an A300???

[Ricky T]

Looks like TJR has been pulled from service, in Melbourne since Sunday night.

It looks like TJR is back in service on the 3rd of May with MEL-BNE and CBR-MEL services.

[Zac M]

Yep, got to work almost straight after posting that and saw TJR up on the board.

[Stuart Trevena]

Hi All,

Is there another B734 leaving the Fleet today (13/5) for storage??
If so, what Reg is it??

I ask this as melair.com has a Ferry Flight listed.
QF6027 to Apia via Sydney.
Was scheduled to leave at 11am, but hasn't departed, to my knowledge.

Stuart

[Rowan McKeever]

Hey Stuart, according to flightaware QF6027 arrived in SYD earlier today and was opb TJL. Nothing listed there for onwards sector to APW but that usually goes the next morning.

[James Thomson]

Hi Stuart,
According to Flightaware it was VH-TJL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHTJL
cheers

James

[Rowan McKeever]

QF6027 SYD-APW opb TJL due out 0605L tomorrow, Tuesday. Cheers, Rowan

[Stuart Trevena]

Hi ALL,

Thanks Rowan.

Does that now mean QF have only 6 734 in the fleet?


Stuart

[Zac M]

TJI, J, R, S, X, Y, Z are all still going strong

[Rowan McKeever]

TJL departed SYD as QF6027 at around 0620L and is currently just out of APW... after a little over an hour on the ground it will continue to HNL.

[Greg Hyde]

I suppose as the new 737NG (XZF) arrive then the older "Joeys" can be put out to pasture.

[Mike W]

I suppose as the new 737NG (XZF) arrive then the older "Joeys" can be put out to pasture.

I flew SYD-BNE-ROK last week on a VA 738 with the Boeing Sky Interior and was very impressed with the new classy look Virgin has in their cabins now. My non aviation enthusiast colleague commented on the "mood lighting".

We came back with QF and the BNE-SYD leg was on a 734 and the difference is astonishing. It's hard to believe they are both 737s. Boeing has done an amazing job with the interiors on the old bird. Nether the less, I was glad to get what could possibly be my last flight in a -400 so enjoyed it from that perspective.

Another highlight was my first ever ride on a 717 so an interesting trip all round.

[Ash W]

Well it looks like 717's will be what allows Qantas to eventually put the 734's to bed.

Interior wise yet to fly on a Qantas BSI but have flown Malaysian and found it quite nice. It does really age the older 737's including the older 738's that Qantas flies. Their interiors are not too different from the 734's, even the customer service modules on TJZ are very similar, if not identical to the early 738's.

Will miss the 734's when they are gone, have flown many a flight in them. Got two flights this Wednesday to Sydney and back (to Canberra).

[Zac M]

The 738s will end the 734s, the 737 fleet is getting redeployed because of the 717s, not replaced!!

[Ash W]

We shall see. My bet is for every 717 that arrives for Canberra runs a 734 will be gone. Whilst new 738's may also come at the same time these will be, as you put it redeployed.

[Zac M]

and my bet is for what was in the internal memo (what has previously been announced to the public) to happen.

[Ash W]

I think we are 'arguing' semitics at the end of the day.

If a 738 replaces a 734 and then a 717 replaces a 738 service to Canberra the end result is the same. That is a 738 gets redployed, a 734 gets retired an a 717 goes on routes to Canberra.

[Steve S... 2]

It just means that we will finally see some 717's back in Sydney & Canberra lol.

Which is great.

[Greg Hyde]

Isn't the problem that QF doesn't have fleet flexibity.

VA has E-jets that can be filled on some routes where a 737 would be only a half or two-thirds full.

Other than introducing a new type (to fit between a DHC8 and 737) the only option was the 717.

Old is new again.

[Ash W]

Not sure about flexibility, but they need something inbetween for sure. In many ways a 738 being a tad bigger than a 734 is too much capacity and the Q400's, especially for their hand luggage restrictions are not too flash. The 717 sits right in the middle.

[Brad Myer]

With 10 B73H and 5 B717s still to be delivered that's more than enough to replace the hand full if B734 s that remain.

Cheers

[MarkR]

Not sure about flexibility, but they need something inbetween for sure. In many ways a 738 being a tad bigger than a 734 is too much capacity and the Q400's, especially for their hand luggage restrictions are not too flash. The 717 sits right in the middle.

The obvious exception to that statement is the business class seating, with a 717 having more as does a 734, which is why they make better replacements than the 738 on Canberra flights. Its the ability to go to 20 J seats with the 734 that has kept them here as long as they have, versus retirement AKA Jetconnect.

[Ash W]

With 10 B73H and 5 B717s still to be delivered that's more than enough to replace the hand full if B734 s that remain.

Cheers

These (the 10 73H and 5 717's) will also see some, if not all the unfurnished 767's disappear too.

[Stuart Trevena]

Hi All,

Is TJJ the next 734 to go?
I noted on Qantas Source tonight that TJJ ferried Brisbane - Sydney yesterday (20/5) as QF6111.

Stuart

[Greg Hyde]

I wonder if the 5 x 717s mentioned in earlier press releases included those for the east coast. I though (that when announced) they were for the west coast to add to the FIFO and Network F100 services.

A good a/c like a DC-9 never dies.

[Zac M]

TJJ had a few issues yesterday, back online today.

TJS is possibly next to go.

[Max C]

The 5 717's will be used on the east coast as they will have J class fitted.

They are ex Mexicana which are already in a config of 20J/84Y.

J class generally not required for WA FIFO flights.

Cobham are also opening a SYD and CBR base so expect the 'new' birds to be based there.

[Shayne G]

737-400 VH-TJJ has been withdrawn from use and has had titles removed.


Down to 6. :(

[Ricky T]

TJJ flew out of SYD this morning as QF6027. Spotted it parked at gate 25 at the international terminal when I came back from MEL last night (Monday).

[Greg Hyde]

TJZ has reportedly been withdrawn in Mel with Roo removed

[Sarah C]

TJZ flies out on Monday morning.

[Jacob L]

Saw TJR yesterday, seems that the paint job is really starting to rub off

Can anyone give me a round up of what 734s are still in service with QF

Thanks:D

[Steve S... 2]

They have four left:

VH-TJI
VH-TJR
VH-TJS
VH-TJY

[Zac M]

TJY was retired in late July...TJX is the fourth one!

[Alex T]

VH-TJZ left Sydney for the final time at 6:00am this morning as QF6027 to Victorville via Apia and Honolulu. Final Departure Video from Sydney (credits to Youtube user luxman13w for the video) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TaONXiGhEc

[David Heath]

Does anyone know when the last flight is scheduled? I heard November, but with 4 left I suppose it could be later. I might put it on my to-do list.

[Paul F]

From Jetspotter forum 15th FEB ADL-MEL.

[Oliver Gigacz]

QF692 (ADL-MEL) on February 15th is the last scheduled service.

[Steve S... 2]

Hi,

Has QF 734 VH-TJS now been retired pls?

Thanks,

Steve S

[Grahame Hutchison]

Hi Steve,

It has been a regular on our ADS-B up until 15/11/2013 and on ACARS until the 14/11/2013.

[Rowan McKeever]

TJS has been back in service since yesterday (Sunday)... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHTJS

[Max C]

TJI will ferry out as QF6027 MEL-BNE-APW-HNL
Leave MEL Monday, BNE Tuesday.

[Zac M]

As far as I can see the final B734 revenue service will operate on Feb 23, it looks as if the final remaining aircraft will retire on the same day, one operating QF815 departing Canberra for Melbourne at 1500, the other operating QF819 departing Canberra for Melbourne at 1710.

[Yusef D]

Zack couldn't the same airframe do both the flights you mentioned?

[Ash W]

Nope. The 1500 departure arrives in Melbourne at 16:10. That doesn't leave enough time to turn around fly back to Canberra and be ready for a 17:10 flight. So 100% two different a/c.

PS and getting OT a little I was just seeing if it was possible to do a last flight trip and not overnight in Melbourne and noticed that the last service from Melbourne to Canberra that day (QF822) is operated by a 767-300, it then turns around and goes back to Melbourne as QF821. Now of course 767's are common MEL-CBR, but never seen one in the evening, especially on a Sunday. Anyone know how long this has been happening for?

[Rowan McKeever]

They often do 822/821 on Sundays Ash, and that's between parliamentary sittings from memory.

Agree Zac that's my take on it as well... look at Canberra getting both last scheduled flights!

[Zac M]

Yeah, pretty common to see the 763 on Sunday night, however the booking system is showing a 738 for 822/821 that day.

[Ash W]

It is now, but was showing a 767 earlier! If it hadn't of been I would have noticed and asked.

[Greg Hyde]

Guys,

By my count (I could be wrong), TJS & TJX are the only two left

Is that right ?

[Zac M]

100% correct Greg!

Also Ash, I think you may have mistakenly put in the 23/3 as your return date as there is a memo at work with all the irregular 763 ops to CBR and QF822/821 on the 23/3 is one of them!

[Zac M]

So...am I the only one riding this flight???

[Joel A]

I am on QF814 (MEL-CBR) and the final (QF819 CBR-MEL) :)

[Zac M]

I'll be in 5f on the last sector! TJS will be the aircraft, TJX will do your flight up in the morning!

[Joel A]

I'll be in 5f on the last sector! TJS will be the aircraft, TJX will do your flight up in the morning!
Awesome, I was hoping to get a flight on both aircraft! I hope they do something special to commemorate the last flight..

[Zac M]

Last I heard there was, but haven't seen the person who was trying to organise it for a few weeks

[Maikha Ly]

Hi all

Could someone who's chummy with a QF Pilot or a relevant department able to forward my curious enquiry onwards. Thanks!

Is it the same 737 type rating for both the -800 and -400 models, or are they separate type ratings with crews confined to the types?

[Zac M]

One trip I did I had same captain on both legs but were ops 734/738

[Todd Milton]

Great to be there for the last -400, a water cannon salute was performed on departure in front of a decent crowd in the gate lounge!

[Jason A]

QF pilots fly both ( or did ) fly both types 400/800. They are endorsed on both.

[Rowan McKeever]

From what I've heard in the past the 737NG (-600/700/800/900) is 'backwards compatible' with the 'Classic' series (-300/400/500). So if you're training is on a 737NG you're good to go with the 'Classic' series, but not automatically vice versa.

[Greg Hyde]

End of a QF era (from QF Source)

QANTAS B737-400 VH-TJS Operates Final B737-400 Passenger Service.
February 23, 2014

QANTAS Boeing 737-476 VH-TJS was withdrawn from service at Melbourne this evening after arriving as QF819 from Canberra. This was the final QANTAS Boeing 737-400 passenger service.

QANTAS B737-400 VH-TJX Withdrawn from Service.
February 23, 2014
QANTAS Boeing 737-476 VH-TJX was withdrawn from service at Melbourne this afternoon after arriving as QF815 from Canberra.

It may QF last B737Classics but there are still a few in Oz skies with QF Freight, Our Airline....

It's a pity that Longreach didn't get one

[JamesL]

It's a common rating, the did sim checks in either the Classic or NG sim and had to do a small conversion check. Much the same as the A330/A340 common rating.

[Maikha Ly]

Thanks guys for the insight to my query.

[Zac M]

TJS will position MEL-SYD-APW-HNL-VCV on Wednesday as 6025 departing MEL at 1120 arriving SYD at 1245, continuing on to APW the next morning at 0620.

TJX will follow the same route as QF6020 on the same day, departing 20min earlier than TJS for all legs.

[Tom PER]

Slightly off topic but -TJH has suffered a sad fate

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/538800-ema-incident-runway-blocked.html

[D Chan]

ouch!

[Jacob L]

Really awful.

The QF 737-400 was a real aircraft. It sent a shiver down my spine everytime I flew on one out of CBR.

[Ray P.]

...The QF 737-400 was a real aircraft. It sent a shiver down my spine everytime I flew on one out of CBR.

I think that was just the vibration :D