why don't TT send 2 or 3 A320 parked at MEL to TR ?

[Andrew Johnson]

or some other carrier in their group ?

Surely, the leasing costs must be chewing their heads off.

Maybe keep one spare in MEL as backup.

Surely, it's not that difficult for TR to change registration for a short term & then change it back. Much cheaper than paying monthly leasing costs of whatever for 3 or 4 months.

From memory all TT aircraft are maximum of a few years old.

[Lukas M]

TR have something like 5 A320s sitting up there doing basically nothing too. They were bound for Tiger Thailand which went nowhere. Tiger Singapore is growing something like 45% year on year, and they with Jetstar are getting too big that capacity has outdone demand so recently they have stopped. In the meantime, they have been getting new aircraft every month.

The 4 aircraft doing nothing will probaly be based in BNE mid year.

They did send back VH-FJR which was #11, and became 9V-FJR

[Andrew Johnson]

TR have something like 5 A320s sitting up there doing basically nothing too. They were bound for Tiger Thailand which went nowhere. Tiger Singapore is growing something like 45% year on year, and they with Jetstar are getting too big that capacity has outdone demand so recently they have stopped. In the meantime, they have been getting new aircraft every month.

The 4 aircraft doing nothing will probaly be based in BNE mid year.

They did send back VH-FJR which was #11, and became 9V-FJR

surely they could lease these near new buses to someone for a reasonable amount of money ?

[Ellis Taylor]

While sub-leasing may be all well and good (depending on the terms of their existing leasing contracts), the problem that TR/TT have is that there are considerable costs in preparing an aircraft for lease in a different jurisdiction. Things like altimeter readout settings and other small things like that can make it hard to justify leasing it out to another carrier. I'm sure that TR also want to make sure that they have aircraft ready to go when TT get the green light to operate their own way again, while they are also looking to place aircraft into Indonesia and the Philippines when their proposed ops there get the green light.

[Andi O]

They did send back VH-FJR which was #11, and became 9V-FJR


Actually became 9V-TJR

[Andrew Johnson]

While sub-leasing may be all well and good (depending on the terms of their existing leasing contracts), the problem that TR/TT have is that there are considerable costs in preparing an aircraft for lease in a different jurisdiction. Things like altimeter readout settings and other small things like that can make it hard to justify leasing it out to another carrier. I'm sure that TR also want to make sure that they have aircraft ready to go when TT get the green light to operate their own way again, while they are also looking to place aircraft into Indonesia and the Philippines when their proposed ops there get the green light.

Am no expert on leasing costs, but surely AUD$100,000 + per aircraft per month.

So 3 aircraft for 4 months (probably more) talking AUD$1.2M or more + what does it cost to park an aircraft at MEL & maintain it at same time ?

[Philip Quinlan]

We do lots of charters for groups especially during football season, mainly supporters.

Last years during football season we did close to 80 return trips using 100 seaters & most are not drunken yobbos.

Most are either 1 night away in case of ex SYD due to curfew or ex BNE & ex MEL sometimes same day return (late night) avoiding need for overnight accommodation.

We've used a lot of Fokker 100's in the past, but now groups are getting bigger & instead of using 2 Fokker 100's (usually 100 seaters) we'd like to use a B737-800 or an A320, so Tiger aircraft would be ideal, but we can't seem to get any interest from Tiger, which seems crazy as easy guaranteed money, when aircraft are sitting doing absolutely nothing.

The Fokker 100's are going up in price due to fuel & also it seems the mining companies want more use out of them, so we come second fiddle (hard to compete with BHP, Rio etc.)

Virgin & Qantas prices are a bit high considering we may not fill a B737-800 & Jetstar don't seem that interested either.

Perhaps we are talking to wrong people.

Having come over from UK last year, am astounded that there are not more commercial sized jets of 100 seats plus, available for charter at a reasonable rate. In UK & Europe we had dozens of airlines & hundreds of aircraft to choose from. Obviously a much bigger market in UK & Europe, but seems to me a niche that is currently not served.

[Brad M]

be good for them to make extra money leasing the unused ones...
make some extra cash to pay the SA govt. their depts so they can fly back into ADL.