JQ A330s back to Qantas from next month

[MarkR]

VH-EBS will be Qantas mainline operations from April with more Jetstar birds to follow, taken off loss making routes (JQ35 is being reduced in frequency as a start).

[JamesL]

The 3K services will be first to go...

[Brian Wilkes]

A whisper around is that the returned a/c might be in a hybrid livery. (Jetstar/Qantas) Will have to wait and see on this!

[Ash W]

Hybrid livery would be ok, but what about the interior? Whilst yes EBS is more or less Qantas domestic spec, it no doubt has those orange colours on the bins and Jetstar seat covers. Maybe Qantas interior colours and hybrid exterior would be allright.

[Tom PER]

Hybrids and non standard aircraft without the usual interior or exterior brings inconsistency, just look at -XFA/B and generally negative publicity.

When -EBS returns to the QF domestic fleet they're best of converting it to the same specs as -EBV to keep things uniform.

[Ash W]

Think you will find that internally, apart from some colour and seat covers it is the same as -EBO, EBP and EBV. As for -XFA and B the issue there is the product is different, whereas -EBS and the latter Qantas domestic A330's have the same product.

[Brenden S]

Look on the QF media page and you will find that all the A332's and A333's are being refurbed. (Including all the Jetstar ones)

[Ash W]

Yes have a look at the press release. Do you see the date it is planned to start. Hmm yep late 2014, which is still 18 months away. So not going to 'help' an aircraft returning next month, and besides the aircraft in question is only 1-2 years old and with the latest Qantas A330 domestic config so don't see it needed a complete refit, just a soft change of covers etc.

[Dennis McLean]

Is there any news of EBS returning to QF? It arrived in MEL from DPS at 07.02 this morning

[Tom PER]

Believe -EBS has now been withdrawn from JQ service.

Not sure if it gone to Lufthansa Technik in Manila for paint or if it's gone to BNE.

[Brandon Giacomin]

EBS arrived in BNE this morning as JQ7992 from SYD.

[Daniel Ayto]

VH-EBS currently operating QF6025 to Manila presumably for repaint?

[Lukas M]

Off to Lufthansa Technik for the reconfig.

[Bernie P]

Didn't the reconfig happen at BNE, and only paint needed in MNL?

[Tom PER]

There was a story going around that it also required an engine change.

[Jamie D]

Ebs is due back in Sydney tomorrow morning at 810am

[Stuart Trevena]

Hi All,

There was a flight listed from Manila (QF6026) that arrived at 9.24am.
Was that EBS arriving back?
If so, does that now mean she didn't go to Lufthansa Technik for any work?

Please advise

Stuart

[Ricky T]

Stuart,

QF6026 from Manila this morning was indeed VH-EBS coming back.

I am fairly sure the repaint (and maybe some other work) was carried out by Lufthansa Technik as they have operations in the Philippines.

[Zac M]

EBS operated QF577 today, anyone see a name on her?

[Shayne G]

Hi Zac,


VH-EBS is named "Swan Valley".

[Tom PER]

Saw EBS this arvo at Perth, it looked odd at first and then it occurred to me why...the Airbus A330 sticker is next to door 2R, makes the front look cluttered instead of being near 4R.

[Brad Myer]

2x More JQ A332 must be on the way to QF early in the new year as the schedules show 1x A332 operating on the BNE-PER-BNE route in FEB with a second frame joining the BNE-PER-BNE route in MAR 2014.

I assume it will be VH-EBQ and VH-EBR as these are the only 2 at JQ that already feature in seat IFE.

Anyone know the exact dates?

[Alex T]

Anyone know the exact dates?

I'm guessing it should be around late Dec/early Jan as JQ will be receiving VH-VKB/VKD by the end on the year. :o

[Brad Myer]

Looks like the A332s will also appear on the SYD-BNE and BNE-SYD route from early next year.

[Oliver Gigacz]

So how many services per week will the A332s be operating MEL-SYD-MEL and BNE-SYD-BNE?

[Brandon Giacomin]

QF589/598 BNE-PER-BNE, A332 replaces B763 from Febraury 16 DAILY
QF767/652 BNE-PER-BNE, A332 replaces B763 from February 16 DAILY ex Sat
QF650/597 PER-BNE-PER, A332 replaces B763 from March 5 DAILY
QF651/594 BNE-PER-BNE, A332 replaces B763 from May 4 DAILY

Looks like the A332s will operate QF501/510 BNE-SYD-BNE DAILY ex Sat/Sun from May 5.

[Rowan McKeever]

There're a couple of Saturday services on 501/510 in there too... forget the dates but it's only a few weeks.

[Oliver Gigacz]

What are the current domestic A332 services to/from MEL?

[Dennis McLean]

Does anyone have any idea when the next 332's (I guess Q and R) will be transferred to QF. Seeing that the new BNE/PER/BNE services commence on 16 February (2 return), and 4 March (1 return) requiring 2 aircraft, I would think that one of the two would have to back with QF for maintenance and painting in early January 2014.

I guess it depends on when VKB and VKD get into service.

[Thomas Collins]

January.

[Alex T]

Looks like EBQ is heading up to MNL for a repaint into QF mainland colours as JQ7994 can anyone confirm this?

[Paul F]

Looks like they had already started as it has a white nose cone and a white engine cowling already :p

[Brad Myer]

I think VH-EBQ is heading to BNE first for some conversion work before heading off for repainting.

VH-EBR should be next to follow in a few weeks.

[lloyd fox]

VH-EBQ landed BNE -gone to QF maintenance hangar.

[Jamie D]

Does anyone know what is happening with ebq in bne? Has been there over a month now.

[Zac M]

I'd say reconfig and heavy maintenance

[Fred C]

It has been reconfigured and had the check. It is waiting for a paint slot at SIAEC.

[Brad Myer]

Anyone know the rego of the next one? And when the next one will begin its reconfig?

[Ash W]

They are not actually being reconfigured, just de Jetstared, so seat covers, removal of orange etc, bearing in mind the actual config was Qantas domestic spec anyway.

[Fred C]

VH-EBR is next Brad. Will head up to BNE shortly.

[Wenglock M]

They are not actually being reconfigured, just de Jetstared, so seat covers, removal of orange etc, bearing in mind the actual config was Qantas domestic spec anyway.

That would be true for the last three JQ A332s (EBQ, EBR and EBS) but I was under the impression (and I think alot of people were as well) that the rest would be brought up to spec with the rest of the QFd 332s (including PTVs in each seat). Or has that plan now gone out the window?

If not, then I guess we'd be back to days of playing the lottery with these QFd A332s. Unless they are dedicating a subfleet of them to the transcontinental flying with the remaining non-PTV ones doing the east coast runs?

[Ash W]

Don't recall that ever being announced. What was announced was a full fleet refurbishment program starting later this year, not now, that would standardise the business class cabins and refurbish the rest. But no great detail for economy except Q streaming will be throughout.

[MarkR]

All the planes will have seatback IFE, so the ones without the Pana system will get it in the refurb, not the JQ conversion. This was confirmed in November last year when AJ was in BNE, as they are all getting eX3 Anroid based systems.

[Greg Hyde]

EBR was withdrawn from JQ yesterday and ferried to Brisbane for reconfiguration.

By my count (could be wrong) EBQ & EQR are the only two in Brisbane that have formally been withdrawn from JQ and handed over to QF for reconfig ?

[Brad Myer]

I was under the impression the original A332s VH-EBA/B/C/D etc won't be getting the seat back IFE in economy just Q-streaming?

[Ash W]

That is what I had thought too Brad, the only press release I have seen says the IFE system will be upgraded to what ever the latest Pana system is, with Q streaming throughout. With the seats in domestic economy refurbished rather than replaced but replaced on the international

Of course even if we are wrong, in the context of this thread that work isn't happening during the change over from Jetstar to Qantas.

[Dennis McLean]

EBK is still in Brisbane under maintenance, arrived here on 27 January

[MarkR]

EBR was withdrawn from JQ yesterday and ferried to Brisbane for reconfiguration.

By my count (could be wrong) EBQ & EQR are the only two in Brisbane that have formally been withdrawn from JQ and handed over to QF for reconfig ?

EBS as per post 1

[Bradley Porter]

EBS is back in QANTAS service, did the 581 YSSY-YPPH today.

Has been since around April from memory.

[Greg Hyde]

Thanks,

With EQR/Q/S transferred leaving EBA/B/C/D/E/F/J/K.

I suppose that the future transfers will be dependent on B787 deliveries ?

Does anyone have the transfer schedule ?

[Brad Myer]

Has EBQ departed for the paint shop yet?

[Brandon Giacomin]

Still in BNE. Has been sitting outside Qantas Hangar 3 for a week or so now.

[Fred C]

Should leave Sunday.

[Max C]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHEBQ/history/20140222/2330Z/YBBN/WSSS

[lloyd fox]

VH-EBR just left BNE a few mins ago as QF 6005 to SIN.It had arrived on 18 Feb from SYD.

[Fred C]

VH-EBQ should be back to BNE from SIN tomorrow with a fresh coat of paint. White paint.

[Mike W]

Oh, the irony. The parent gets the hand me downs and the young upstart gets the flash new 787's.

I know I'll get flamed by the Qantas fan bois but seriously, it's more and more like Qantas is a division of Jetstar, despite Jetstar's Asian failure.

[Thomas Collins]

I think you are conveniently forgetting Mike that Jetstar was never meant to have the A330's. The delay in the 787's, forced Jetstar to use A330's. And the fact the 78's deliver lower cASK's, makes absolute sense for Jetstar to be using these aircraft, since LCC's suffer lower yields/thinner margins.

But that is just common sense…

[Chris Z]

Agreed Thomas Collins... :D

[Mike W]

I think you are conveniently forgetting Mike that Jetstar was never meant to have the A330's. The delay in the 787's, forced Jetstar to use A330's. And the fact the 78's deliver lower cASK's, makes absolute sense for Jetstar to be using these aircraft, since LCC's suffer lower yields/thinner margins.

But that is just common sense…

Sure, but that's irrelevant to my point. Jetstar is making the money, that's where the new more efficient resource is being allocated. "The Qantas brand is taking second fiddle to the Jetstar brand" which is my point. Sad but true.

[Dennis McLean]

EBQ arrived back in Brisbane at 20.15 EST last night. QPH did QF589 and 598 BNE/PER/BNE on Saturday and is scheduled to do 589 again today. These flights were to be the 332's return to BNE-PER flights, delayed from mid February

[Zac M]

EBQ in service today with BNE-PER-BNE-PER

[Brenden S]

Cheers, anyone get the name of the aircraft at all?

[Fred C]

I haven't seen it but it should be Wolgan Valley.

[Adam W]

Can confirm Wolgan Valley. Had a rather eventful first flight with Qantas, taxied into Perth followed by 3 fire trucks with smoke in the cockpit.

[Jim M]

I know I'm getting a bit ahead here, but once all the 332s are back with QF, is there any more info on where they will be utilised, apart from the routes already discussed in this thread?

Cheers
Jim

[Greg Hyde]

I expect that they will free up older a/c like 747 & 767 that can be removed from service.

[Jim M]

Sorry Greg, I should have been more specific.
I understand the aircraft that they will be replacing, but I was referring more to the specific routes that they will operate, particularly on the domestic side of things. For example, would we see an A330 on the QF924/925 SYD-CNS-SYD service, that is presently operated by 767 equipment?

Cheers
Jim

[Ash W]

Qantas has not been that specific, so the first you will know is when the timetable changes after each 767 withdrawal/A330 introduction.

[Kent Broadhead]

Can confirm Wolgan Valley.

Are they going to start flights to Lithgow or Mudgee? :) Relatively subtle recognition of the Emirates tie-up.

[Yusef D]

Are they going to start flights to Lithgow or Mudgee? :) Relatively subtle recognition of the Emirates tie-up.

That's where the plot was hatched, Ken!

[Andrew M]

Some of the A330's do not have seat back IFE/TV's

When the refurb starts at the end of this year, will all A330's have seat back TV's in all classes ?

[Ash W]

The simple answer is yes. Though when it comes to the older domestic a/c (those without seat back IFE now) the press release was a little vague about whether in Y it was going to be hard wired or ipad based. As all a/c will have QStreaming and because they are not replacing the seat in domestic Y I would say ipad it will be on these a/c.

[Zac M]

If they for iPads it will be for the entire aircraft, I'm pretty sure the ex JQ birds (apart from the first three to come back) will get the full treatment to bring them up to standard with the rest of the fleet!

[Ash W]

They are not replacing the economy seats on domestic a/c, so they won't be the same as the later A330's that had seat back IFE. What they are doing is refurbishing the seats and I don't see how they can put in a wired IFE solution into the seats that don't currently have seat back IFE.

All international are getting new Y seats with wired seat back IFE.

Business on all a/c including domestic are getting new seats which will have wired IFE.

The system will be Panasonic with Q streaming on all a/c including international, which for sure will have hard wired IFE to all seats.

But as I said the release is a little vague in the area of domestic IFE for Y.

[Zac M]

They won't install Panasonic IFE just for J! And as the older JQ birds have the same Y seats as the A333s and EBG-L (sans IFE) it would be very unlikely if they are left as is!

[Ash W]

Umm, IFE systems are modular. You have a content server, Panasonic has several versions with differing capabilities, then you add on modules for seats back IFE, for communications and for WiFi streaming etc etc.

The Q-streaming system used on the 767's is a Panasonic system, though I believe the content server is a more basic version compared to say the content server used on their A380's. WiFi streaming is then 'bolted on' as a module.

When it comes to the A330 refurb there is no reason what so ever they could install the latest and greatest content server (or a cheap **** one too for that matter), hard wire the new business class seats and have ipad streaming to the rest of the a/c and for anyone who has BYO'ed. The only difference is you don't install the hardware to support the Y seats.

As for brining the a/c up to the same standard, the Qantas press release was very clear that the 10 international a/c will get NEW Y seats and the 20 domestic will have theirs refurbished. As you mention there are differences on seats on the domestic fleet, but the release is clear they will be refurbished not replaced. So don't see how they can all be brought up to the same standard.

[Zac M]

Those numbers don't add up, there are 14 international (QPA-J and EBG, H, I, L) and 16 domestic once all aircraft are back with QF (EBA-F, J, K, M-R and V)

[Ash W]

That was a quote from the press release. Looks like they have counted the 4 international -200's as domestic.

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-previews-new-a330-and-b717-interiors

[Fred C]

VH-EBR is due back to BNE from SIN next Wed. Should be named Lockyer Valley.

[Zac M]

EBR is back today, is EBA next in line, ferried SYD to BNE on Feb 26

[Brad Myer]

I was told EBA is just in for a mx check and will return to JQ service?

[Zac M]

EBR straight into service operating QF609 BNE-MEL

[Dennis McLean]

I have heard that EBA will be in maintenance till early May and then go to QF after painting.

[Fred C]

EBA will be back into service with JQ after its current check. EBB will be the next aircraft to have a check then be painted in QF colours.

[Brad Myer]

I'm guessing the rate of A330 transfers will increase with the B763s retirement speeding up?

When's the next batch of JQ 787s due?

[Greg Hyde]

I believe that EBB has been withdrawn from JQ &is currently in Brisbane.

[Tom PER]

I believe that EBB has been withdrawn from JQ &is currently in Brisbane.

Withdrawn from the QF Group pending sale of for conversion to QF?

Off another forum QF is selling around 3 of these JQ A332's off.

[Brad Myer]

I have heard rumours of the sale of some A332s however nothing was mentioned yesterday at the fleet update presentation.

[Greg Hyde]

From Jetstar source:

Jetstar A330-200 VH-EBB Positions to Brisbane Maintenance.
04/05/2014
Jetstar A330-200 VH-EBB positioned Melbourne – Brisbane for maintenance this evening as JQ7986. We understand, but do not have 100% confirmation, that the aircraft has been withdrawn from Jetstar service and will be prepared for a return to QANTAS.

[Greg Hyde]

EBB AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A330-202 522 29/5/2014 No Change QANTAS
AIRWAYS LIMITED
Building QCA/3,
10 Bourke Road
MASCOT
NSW 2020
*Date:* 26-May-14

[Greg Hyde]

Has anyone noticed if QF is naming the A330's as they are being transferred back ?

EBB, EBQ, EBR, EBS, ....

TIA

[Alex T]

^Yep they are named,

EBQ - Wolgan Valley
EBR - Lockyer Valley
EBS - Swan Valley

[Fred C]

EBB will be Albany.

[Greg Hyde]

many thanks

[Jamie D]

When is EBB expected to return to service?

And does this mean EBA will once again be Cradle mountain?

[Brad Myer]

I don't think EBB has even been repainted yet…

It was due a C check as well as the conversion work from JQ to QF.

I assume EBB will have Q Streaming due to no existing AVOD fitted?

Anyone know more?

Cheers

[Brad Myer]

VH-EBB ferried to SIN for repainting. JQ are due another 3 B787s over the next few months so we should see some more A330s begin the conversion back to QF.

[Brenden S]

I thought those A332's were getting the new interior including the Panasonic IFE as part of the A330 retrofit.

[Ash W]

It has been discussed before, the press release from Qantas is very vague on what will happen to the economy seats of the domestic A330's that currently do not have seat-back IFE.

It is a given that the business seats will be fixed, but down the back with just a seat refurbishment I would guess Q streaming, which is just a module of the Panasonic IFE system. So one example of the vagueness.

[C Patters]

Does anyone know which JetStar A330 is next to be handed back to Qantas Domestic?

[Todd Hendry]

EBA in early Sept. EBC later in Sept. And EBD November.

[C Patters]

Thanks Todd!

[Brad Myer]

Wow they are coming quick...

Should start to see some A332s pop up on the SYD-MEL-SYD and SYD-BNE-SYD routes.

[Jamie D]

Vh-ebb is due back into brissy tomorrow morning around 5 from singapore

[Mike W]

I see Flight Radar is properly confused by the returning of the 330s to QF

QF575 / QFA575
Jetstar Airways
SYD
Sydney
PER
Perth
STD 8:10 AM EST
ATD 8:30 AM EST
STA 11:20 AM WST
ETA 11:14 AM WST

Aircraft(A332)
Airbus A330-202
Registration(7C1475)
VH-EBR
Altitude
20,450 ft Vertical Speed
+2304 fpm
Speed
372 kt Track
280°
Latitude
-33.7204 Longitude
150.3571
Radar
T-YSSY7 Squawk
3650

[Dennis McLean]

Good afternoon all, EBB arrived in BNE from SIN at 07.07 on 18 July and has not moved yet. EBC was ferried from MEL to BNE on 18 July as well arrived at 17.29.

I presume then if EBA is the next one to go back to QF, it may be withdrawn from JQ for painting when either VKG or VKH arrives and goes into service on 14 August on CNS/NRT.

According to Flight Aware VKG has not yet had its first flight and VKH has returned to Charleston from Victorville after painting. Which will arrive first???

[Wenglock M]

EBB has shown up on the GDS - it appears to be going back into service on 31 July (coming Thursday) on QF501 BNE-SYD followed by QF571 SYD-PER later in the day.

The configuration remains similar to what it was before with Jetstar, with the exception of the E seats in Rows 2 - 5 being blocked (with presumably a workstation table similar to EBO-EBV), effectively creating a 2-2-2 configuration in J.

[Brad Myer]

Did they keep the original JQ seats?

[Ash W]

Surely Brad you mean the original Qantas seats?

[Brad Myer]

EBA in early Sept. EBC later in Sept. And EBD November.

EBC is already in the hanger undergoing its conversion from JQ to QF.

Surely Brad you mean the original Qantas seats?

Yes. I haven't seen any details of the exact config/product.

[Joseph Saragozza.]

Saw EBS this arvo at Perth, it looked odd at first and then it occurred to me why...the Airbus A330 sticker is next to door 2R, makes the front look cluttered instead of being near 4R.

Saw EBS in perth last week and noticed airbus a330 markings move back to the original position near d3

[Oliver Gigacz]

Are there any pictures of EBB since coming back from Singapore?

[Tom PER]

Are there any pictures of EBB since coming back from Singapore?

Search by its rego on Flickr there is a rear underbelly shot taken at BNE.

[Zac M]

If you look at that image closely that's actually EBV, there are a few images around on the Facebook groups but yeah...that's all I've seen.

[Tom PER]

If you look at that image closely that's actually EBV, there are a few images around on the Facebook groups but yeah...that's all I've seen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/88311258@N04/14502645058/in/photolist-o6xR7s-ieWJX6-aXXufg-mRf2zL-eewvv8-9ppjKj-cXCZS9-nezqbt-ejGM5J-9sW2BS-ddUn8D-dtZPYC-cUvE7f-dPMqYD-8MCZsm-fgRNvS-npwAGM-j2oMZ5-98GqDx-apobNB-iMVr2r-juC6GF-kkmmHm-kkmiiL-a1sD3Q-asS1dE-9fXJnv-eKmQGn-oqPyQX-a6bgj5-o7nN5X-nPT8cU-jvnMD8-97Wpn6-jWAS7S-dP6Njb-dNsTTq-hkuKiv-dJKa26-7K6Tn2-7K6Tkc-jWyPgM-8gUEdD-8gXVzy-8gXVuG-8bbZbL-dmT13A-dsRAu7-bJbZxZ-8qYHuk-cceFJu

[Zac M]

Ah ok, I was looking at this one!
https://flic.kr/p/f9aAwE

[Greg Hyde]

Looks like EBB went back into QF service this morning. Brissie to Sydney.

[Adam W]

EBA through to EBF wont be getting the Panasonic AVOD. Instead they are getting Q Streaming with iPads supplied in J class only. Y class pax will have to BYO device.

[Wenglock M]

EBA through to EBF wont be getting the Panasonic AVOD. Instead they are getting Q Streaming with iPads supplied in J class only. Y class pax will have to BYO device.

Are they going to get the new J suites during the refit without the screens then (or with an iPad in place of the screens)?

Or is the plan temporarily to have iPads in J until the refit commences?

[Brad Myer]

The new J class will have fixed IFE on all A330s

What's the point of having an excellent seat with no fixed IFE?

Doesn't make sense.

[Gareth U]

Brad, J-class will have fixed IFE on all QF A330s, but only after refurbishment. The EBA-EBD have the old 2-3-2 product for the time being. The centre seat in rows 2-5 will be blocked.

[Greg Hyde]

EBC has been formally transferred to QF

EBC AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A330-202 506 1/8/2014 No Change QANTAS
AIRWAYS LIMITED
Building QCC 2,
10 Bourke Road
MASCOT
NSW 2020
*Date:* 21-Jul-14

[C Patters]

Does anyone know why EBB hasn't flown since Sat 2/8? Seems odd given its just returned from maintenance.

[Wenglock M]

I reckon it was actually supposed to operate the QF651 the last Sunday (03 August) but must have had a big technical issue as the flight incurred a rolling delay, and ended up being operated by EBM ex-QF650 with a 5 hour delay. OGK then subbed in on the QF597.

It hasn't gone anywhere since. However, the GDS indicates it will be operating the QF577 SYD-PER, followed by QF594 PER-BNE this coming Sunday (10 August).

[Zac M]

Believe it has a flight control issue.

[Tom PER]

Believe it has a flight control issue.

Currently on descent into Perth operating QF597 from BNE.

[Ricky T]

EBA was ferried from MEL to SIN earlier this evening as JQ7991. Wonder if it is going for maintenance or repaint?

Meanwhile, EBC is still in BNE for maintenance/conversion.

[Brad Myer]

My guess is EBA will have the repaint first then go into the hanger for conversion, by that time EBC will be finished in the hanger and ferry to SIN for painting.

[Fred C]

EBA is in SIN for a repaint.

[lloyd fox]

VH-EBD arrived BNE hangar yesterday afternoon.

VH-EBC is now doing donuts in the BNE training area after coming out of maintenance today.

[Jason A]

EBC is now ferrying BNE-SIN

[Brad Myer]

VH-EBA should be back from SIN repaint very soon. It still has to undergo conversion work in BNE.

[Zac M]

Monday at 1955 into BNE for EBA by the looks of it.

[Dennis McLean]

I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I believe that EBA had its conversion work done some months ago and instead of going to Singapore for painting into QF livery, it went back into JQ service????

[Zac M]

It had the maintenance check done, not the conversion work, by the looks of it these aircraft are getting withdrawn from JQ as they are due for major checks, EBA had the check done but went to JQ. As far as I can see the only conversion work to be done is seat covers and Q-Steaming installation, however I'd expect one will get the new J class interior fitted very soon!

[Brad Myer]

VH-EBD is also at the BNE hanger. Not sure if it has been withdrawn from JQ service? Or just getting a check.

[Tom PER]

-QPJ hasn't flown for a tad over 2 weeks at Brisbane since doing a domestic flight from Perth.

Is it just in the hangar for a heavy check, cabin reconfig and/or maybe heading to Singapore for paint afterwards?

[Greg Hyde]

EBD formally handed back

EBD AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A330-202 513 5/9/2014 No Change QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED
Attn: Alan Milne,
QCC 2, 10 Bourke Road
MASCOT
NSW 2020
Date: 4-Sep-14

[Shaal L]

so which ones still left as jetstar?

[Steve S... 2]

Jetstar still has EBE EBF EBJ EBK.

[Shaal L]

thx steve

[lloyd fox]

VH-EBA QF6006 is about 30 mins out from landing at BNE.

[Alex T]

With the recent announcement that QF would not continue on with the lease on two domestic A332's, I have a feeling that VH-EBJ/K may be the rego's as both aren't owned/registered to QF but to leasing companies. Any thoughts?

[Ricky T]

Most of QF's A330 (except the first six A332) are leased. I suspect EBE, EBF, EBJ and EBK would be with JQ for a little bit longer as the next 787 is not due for a while.

I suspect that VH-EBM and EBN are probably the two A332s that will be returned to their lessors as they are 'oldest' A332 in domestic config (excluding the A332s which are owned by QF).

[Dave C]

Morning Ricky.

The 2 A332 that will be returned to their leasing company are EBH and EBI. There is an apparent restriction on the aircraft weights in the lease agreement. That's what we have been told.

[Rowan McKeever]

I suspect that VH-EBM and EBN are probably the two A332s that will be returned to their lessors as they are 'oldest' A332 in domestic config (excluding the A332s which are owned by QF).

The current configuration wouldn't be the deciding factor as all of the A330s will be reconfigured in the program commencing later this year. That's -300s and -200s.

[Ricky T]

Morning Ricky.

The 2 A332 that will be returned to their leasing company are EBH and EBI. There is an apparent restriction on the aircraft weights in the lease agreement. That's what we have been told.

Thanks Dave. It is certainly different to what QF has indicated in their public announcement.

[Ricky T]

The current configuration wouldn't be the deciding factor as all of the A330s will be reconfigured in the program commencing later this year. That's -300s and -200s.

I understand that. However, QF has stated that two domestic configured A332 are to be returned to the lessor, hence my assumption.

Makes me thinking which A330 would get reconfigured first...

[MarkR]

Morning Ricky.

The 2 A332 that will be returned to their leasing company are EBH and EBI. There is an apparent restriction on the aircraft weights in the lease agreement. That's what we have been told.

The two being returned are part of the pool of four remaining JQ birds, EBE, EBF, EBJ or EBK.
EBD is the last JQ bird to undergo conversion from JQ this year and is in the shop now.

[Ricky T]

The two being returned are part of the pool of four remaining JQ birds, EBE, EBF, EBJ or EBK.
EBD is the last JQ bird to undergo conversion from JQ this year and is in the shop now.

In that case, EBJ and EBK are probably the two aircrafts that will be returned to the lessors as EBE are EBF are owned by QF.

[Dave C]

Fair enough Mark. The A330 Flight Operations Fleet Captain must have the wrong info. Cheers.

[Tom PER]

-EBB only has iPads in business, none in economy, Y seats have iPad holders but none were distributed, only form of IFE in Y is drop down screens similar to the early B738's.

J class seats are still the same black leather J* ones and the Y seats are still the original blue that they were delivered with.

And to think people used to try and avoid -XFA/B.

[Sarah C]

They really should have been reconfiguring these A330's with the new product.......this stop gap will just end up being a joke (like the 2 early VA 332s). Sigh..........

[Adam W]

J class seats are still the same black leather J* ones and the Y seats are still the original blue that they were delivered with.

Not quite, the Y seats have the same seat covers as the rest of the domestic fleet except they have leather headrests, similar to the 767s.

[Brad Myer]

Bit of miss info a few posts above.

The tempory fit out for EBA/EBB/EBC/EBD is pretty much similar to the refreshed B763.

Y class has the same seat covers as the rest of the domestic fleet with leather headrests and iPad holder. (Same as 763s)

J class is the leather style biz seat covers - same as B763.

New carpets curtains were also fitted.

[Tom PER]

Cheers was quoting a colleague who flew on -EBB last Friday.

Weren't the J* star class seats the same as the B763 J class product?

[Brad Myer]

Similar seat different style leather.

This is just an interim fix.

From next year all domestic 332s and B73Hs will be getting new style seat covers, curtains, carpets etc

[Brad Myer]

EBA is now in active QF service.

EBC should enter service in the next week or so.

[Greg Hyde]

EBA went back into service this morning on QF589, Brisbane to Perth.

Was it renamed "Cradle Mountain" ?

[Mackenzie Davis]

VH-EBC just touched down @ Brisbane from Singapore as QF6006

[Greg Hyde]

From QF Source


QANTAS A330-200 VH-EBA Returns to QANTAS Service.
September 21, 2014

QANTAS A330-200 VH-EBA returned to QANTAS service this morning operating QF589 Brisbane – Perth. The aircraft is in its original 38J/265Y configuration, however seats 2E, 3E, 4E and 5E are blocked with a workstation table to make an in service configuration of 34J/265Y.

[Brad Myer]

VH-EBC will enter QF service today

[C Patters]

Brad do you know when VH-EBD will head to Singapore for a repaint?

[Dennis McLean]

EBC went back into QF service on QF597, BNE/PER, at 17.17 today, due in PER shortly.

EBD only arrived in BNE for maintenance etc. on 4/9, should be here for a while yet. Is due back in QF service in late November.

Expect another to leave the JQ fleet sometime in January 15, as VKI is due for delivery in early January.

[Tom PER]

Does anyone know what the go with Intl A332 -EBL is?

It's been at the BNE maintenance facility for a month now...that's a long time for a heavy check or is this the first one which will appear in the new J product?

[Fred C]

EBL is due back into service from about 21st October after a 'C' check.

I am led to believe that EBV will be the first with the new J product.

EBD is due to go to paint at the end of October.

[Tom PER]

Cheers Fred, was hoping you'd reply.

Does that then mean -EBV will become an 'International' aircraft and rotate thru intl rotations as -EBG, H, I and L currently do in-between domestic duties?

[Ash W]

Eventually that may well happen. Since the JQ birds have come back -200's are appearing more and more in international runs. SYD-CGK for example now sees a lot more -200's then in the past and the schedule is showing more in the future.

[Rowan McKeever]

Hey Tom, eventually the whole fleet of A330s will be interchangeable between domestic and international. I suspect, though, that EBA through EBD probably won't do much internationally as I believe there are some technical differences between them and the others (weights or something?).

[Ash W]

Rowan, the old chestnut was in relation to floor weight required to support Skybeds. Clearly this won't be an issue with the new seats as they will all be getting the same business class seat. That said there may well be some galley differences that may limit what aircraft can do longer international flights, and of course there are IFE differences down the back too. Eg those without fixed seat back IFE won't be getting it, just streaming.

So my guess is the newer domestic -200's with the fixed seat IFE may well be seen more on international with the older ones less so. But that is just a guess time will be the only way to tell for certain.

[Zac M]

Im not sure how correct this is but appears EBE is withdrawn from JQ service.
Jetstar A330-200 VH-EBE was withdrawn from service at Melbourne this morning after arriving as JQ8 from Singapore. The aircraft then positioned Melbourne – Brisbane as JQ7994 where it will underdo maintenance in preparation for service with QANTAS. This brings the Jetstar A330-200 fleet down to three aircraft.

While I'm at it the difference in the first four (EBA-D)....well at least one of them, the power of the engines, they are 330-201s, where as everything else is a 330-202 with the exception of EBK and EBS which are 330-203s.

[Fred C]

EBE is going to BNE for a 'C' check (about two weeks) it will then return to JQ service.

[Erik H. Bakke]

the power of the engines, they are 330-201s, where as everything else is a 330-202 with the exception of EBK and EBS which are 330-203s.

The engine power is a software upgrade, though, if I understand it correctly.
Or are the engines of an older standard which don't support the higher thrust rates the newer engines are capable of?

[Zac M]

I think its a computer management thing (possibly a chip or something) however I THINK (more than open to correction here) that its a pretty big process to upgrade the chip, etc to upgrade to a 202 or 203....because that would require changing the registration of the aircraft (they are registered as A330-201s) and also change of lease terms, etc. the later obviously wouldn't be a problem with these aircraft as they are owned....and now that I type that out it all seems too simple, haha, I'm sure theres more too it, otherwise they'd get standardised, right?

[Ash W]

Kinda wrong. The rating as you mentioned influences the MTOW, which in turn influences landing fee's etc. So if you don't need a high thrust rating why have it and incur a higher landing fee?

[Greg Hyde]

From JQ source:

Jetstar A330-200 VH-EBE Positions to Brisbane Maintenance.

18/10/2014

Jetstar A330-200 VH-EBE positioned Melbourne – Brisbane as JQ7994. We have respected sources reporting that the aircraft has been withdrawn from Jetstar service and will be prepared for QANTAS service and other respected sources saying the aircraft is at Brisbane for a C Check and will return to Jetstar service.

[Patrick H]

-EBB only has iPads in business, none in economy, Y seats have iPad holders but none were distributed, only form of IFE in Y is drop down screens similar to the early B738's.

J class seats are still the same black leather J* ones and the Y seats are still the original blue that they were delivered with.

And to think people used to try and avoid -XFA/B.

After flying on EBN to Sydney and then getting EBB back to Perth very disappointing product.

[Ricky T]

VH-EBD left BNE for SIN earlier this afternoon (29 Oct) as QF6007 for repaint into QF colors.

[Greg Hyde]

From JQ source:


Jetstar A330-200 VH-EBE Returns from Brisbane Maintenance.
28/10/2014

Jetstar A330-200 VH-EBE, which has been under maintenance at Brisbane since 18th October, positioned Brisbane – Melbourne as JQ7991 this afternoon and returned to service this evening operating JQ23 Melbourne – Tokyo Narita.

[Alex T]

So apparently the A330 refurbs have started...Anyone have the rego???

I thought it was going to be EBV, but it's still in service as we speak. Done some checks and QPA hasn't flown since 03/11 so maybe that'll be the first refreshed bird!

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-begins-a330-refit-for-new-business-class-seats

[Rowan McKeever]

I was under the impression it was going to be a -300 first, so QPA is a fair bet from that standpoint?

[Ricky T]

Given the QF press release mentioned the new seat is set to debut on the East-West Coast service in early December, my initial thought was a 332 would be refitted first.

EBG was under maintenance in BNE since 26 October and I had expected it to be fit out with the new seats. Alas, it is already back in service so thats not it.

I suspect the next 332 that goes to BNE maintenance would be the first plane to be refitted.

[Rowan McKeever]

As was mentioned earlier today the work has commenced on the first aircraft. EBD is currently in SIN as part of its transfer back to QF from JQ. All other -200s were flying in service today so, unless it's EBD, it's gotta be a -300. FWIW the -300s do fly domestic services, especially over summer.

[Fred C]

QPA is indeed in for a check and a reconfig. It is however a large check and will most likely appear shortly after EBV which is having a smaller check and reconfig.

[Wenglock M]

Presumably EBV is also having a smaller reconfig since the Y class seats are not going to be replaced (and since they already have the 9" seat back screens anyway)?

On a separate note, does anyone know if EBM-V will get an upgraded IFE from the eX2 to the eX3?

[lloyd fox]

EBV was outside today at BNE.

[Adam W]

And back flying today

[Alex Lui]

So is it reconfigured then? Any pictures?

[Zac M]

It is not going to be reconfigured in a day...

[Wenglock M]

VH-EBD will be ferrying back to BNE from SIN as QF6006 tomorrow (15 November) - due in at 20.30.

[Brad Myer]

EBE and EBF will the last to transfer from JQ to QF next year.

Apparently EBJ/EBK will be the 2 A330s that will leave the fleet, and the last remaining 330s at JQ.

[MarkR]

Fair enough Mark. The A330 Flight Operations Fleet Captain must have the wrong info. Cheers.

Going on the above info it looks like they did!:rolleyes: Mind you the fat lady has yet to sing!

[Alex Lui]

VH-EBD back in service, taxiing as we speak in Sydney operating QF569 to Perth.

[NathanJ]

Saw EBD close up in Sydney yesterday. Absolutely beaming in her new skin!

[Jamie D]

Saw EBD close up in Sydney yesterday. Absolutely beaming in her new skin!

did you manage to snap a picture Nathan?

[Alex T]

Is VH-EBP the next bird that's being refurbished?

From the Qantas Source:
QANTAS A330-200 VH-EBP Enters Brisbane Maintenance.
December 12, 2014, QANTAS A330-200 VH-EBP entered the Brisbane maintenance facility this morning after arriving as QF652 from Perth.

[Greg Hyde]

EBF has been transferred but isn't it still flying with JQ?


EBF AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A330-202 0853 15/12/2014 QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED
Attn: Alan Milne
QCC 2, 10 Bourke Road
MASCOT
NSW 2020
*Date:* 28/11/2014 No Change

[Alex T]

The first refurbished A330-200 VH-EBV, should be departing BNE now 2:35pm AEST for an arrival into SYD at 4:30pm AEDT. After that it's expected to turn around to operate it's first service as QF571 (When they said towards the end of 2014 I didn't expect it to be Dec 31st :o).

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA6111

[Sarah C]

EBV is in service, operating the QF571 and will return to MEL as the red eye.

[Jim M]

With these A330's returning to QF service, I notice most are being given a name. However, I can't seem to find any details of a name for VH-EBR? Can anyone tell me if she has been given a name, will be given a name, and what it may be?

Many thanks,
Jim

[Adam W]

Lockyer Valley

[Jim M]

Cheers Adam 😊

[C Patters]

Does anyone know when either VH-EBE or VH-EBF are heading to back Qantas Domestic given the pending delivery at the end of January of the next Jetstar 787?

[C Patters]

VH-EBA is back flying again today, currently operating QF589 BNE-PER. Does anyone know which A330-200 is next to go in for a refit?

[Adam W]

I believe EBC may be next. I've also heard from a source that EBJ/K aren't being returned to the lessor and will be refurbished to join the QF fleet.

[Alex T]

I believe EBC may be next. I've also heard from a source that EBJ/K aren't being returned to the lessor and will be refurbished to join the QF fleet.

Yep you're right about EBJ/K, I heard it's EBH/I instead that will be returned to their lessors!

I've heard from other forums that EBS is the next bird due in for refurb. It looks scheduled to operate tonights red eye PER-BNE (QF652) flight tonight. :cool:

[Fred C]

VH-EBJ is about to go to SIN for a paint job. One can only presume it will come out red and white and not shiny silver.

[Wenglock M]

VH-EBJ should be heading back to BNE tonight from SIN as QF6006 departing at 23.00L.

[Dennis McLean]

EBJ arr BNE at 11.28am on 14/3 as QFA6006 next 332 to be converted I presume

QPD positioned BNE/SIN as QFA6007 on 15/3 06.11/11.29 next to be painted I presume

QPA arr BNE 16/3 from SIN on QFA 52, first flight to BNE since been overhauled

QPB and QPC still in BNE, QPC must be close to coming out as has been here since 17/1

[Fred C]

QPD is being painted.

QPC should be back flying around the 23 March.

[Brad Myer]

Any word on when QPB will be out?

[Alex T]

Any word on when QPB will be out?

I reckon QPB should be flying by the end of April!

[Max C]

QPC went for a test flight today and looks like it might operate QF503 on 23/3 BNE-SYD

[Jarden S]

When is the next JQ A330 going to QF?

[Alex T]

When is the next JQ A330 going to QF?

When VKJ is delivered to JQ (I believe in a month or so). I think EBK will be next the next bird to be transferred back to QF.

[Wenglock M]

QPD heading back to SYD after getting a new coat of paint from SIN as QF6010. ETA 11.30L. I guess it will go back into service for a bit before getting its cabin refreshed.

[Rowan McKeever]

Is that 4 A330s now in the new colours, Wenglock? QPA-D?

[Wenglock M]

Hi Rowan

Yes, that's four now. QPB is still in the hangar in BNE, QPA and C are back in service with new cabins and nobody knows what will happen with QPD yet after it arrives back in Australia.

[C Patters]

Does anyone have a date of when VH-QPB & VH-EBJ will be out of the hanger flying?

Any word on which rego's are next to get the refurb?

[Todd Hendry]

EBJ has been weighed. Must be out soon.

[Brad Myer]

EBJ upgraded and now back in service... EBM now in hanger.

[Dennis McLean]

According to Flight Aware, EBJ is still in BNE and EBM is on its way from PER to MEL???

[C Patters]

Think its EBN which is now in the hanger

[Zac M]

EBJ back in service as 597 to PER tonight. In theory that should mean that the three red-eye flights ex PER will be with A332s featuring suites.