Another new Airline for OZ

[Lukas M]

just popped up at penuts.aero

A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.

The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.

The airline stated it plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel “never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks”. The “value for money” , “service-based” approach will see the airline position itself between Qantas and Virgin Blue in the domestic market.

The start-up was registered on 10-Oct-06 as an Australian company, and has investment partners in Germany.

As previously revealed by peanuts.aero, Lion Air, Indonesia’s most successful new entrant airline, plans to commence Australian operations later this year using a six aircraft fleet of extended range B737-900ERs. Lion will hold 49% of the new company, which is to be 51% owned by Australian charter operator, SkyAirWorld.

Initially, Lion Air Australia is looking at international routes, to Indonesia and Southeast Asia, and is considering operating "some" domestic routes, according to SkyAirWorld CEO, David Charlton.

SkyAirWorld was the first operator in Australia to introduce the Embraer-170 jet last year.

[Oliver Gigacz]

I have found the name of the airline it is called VivaJet and it will be operating from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, Hobart, Canberra and the Gold Coast with EMB-170 and 190s and ATR-72s and A300F

http://www.vivajet.com.au/index.html

[Rick K]

Sounds remarkably like "Air Downunder", doesn"t it?
The website is www.vivajet.com.au and their company name does stand up in Asic search but website looks like a lot of "knock-offs" from legit sites

[Rick K]

Googled the name and found this:
- taken from:
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewforum.php?f=4

"6.) 28.07.1998
Turkish Tandem Pilot: Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu
Visiting Tandem Passenger: Mrs.Sehgal Sangereeta
Visiting Tandem Paraglider Passenger Fatality
Babadag, Oludeniz/Fethiye
Pilot forgets to lock passangers" leg straps before takeoff, passenger falls and crashes"

Pilot's name is same as VivaJet's CEO

[Kain C]

Their timetable doesn't seem to match up at all! There is one timetable in the timetable section, and another (different version) in the destinations section. Seems like they would need at least 30 aircraft to meet the timetable requirements as there are only flights either first thing in the morning or the evening. Each aircraft must only fly 2 sectors per day. In fact, they have 4 aircraft overnighting at HBA, with departures to MEL, SYD, BNE and CBR in both the morning and evening (8 flights/day). The timings are inconsistent too; e.g. the morning BNE-MEL flight takes 2:25, yet the evening BNE-MEL flight takes only 0:25! A wind-up I think! :)

[Oliver Gigacz]

Their timetable doesn't seem to match up at all! There is one timetable in the timetable section, and another (different version) in the destinations section. Seems like they would need at least 30 aircraft to meet the timetable requirements as there are only flights either first thing in the morning or the evening. Each aircraft must only fly 2 sectors per day. In fact, they have 4 aircraft overnighting at HBA, with departures to MEL, SYD, BNE and CBR in both the morning and evening (8 flights/day). The timings are inconsistent too; e.g. the morning BNE-MEL flight takes 2:25, yet the evening BNE-MEL flight takes only 0:25! A wind-up I think! :)

As I keep looking I feel the same way;)

[James Smith]

They will need over 30 jets to achieve the timetable published on their website just by counting up the 6:00 am to 8:00 am departures from all their destinations. What happens to the planes during the day? Looks pie-in-the- sky to me.

[Lukas M]

Yet they give an example of $49 ADL-BNE, which is just impossible for a airline to charge when they offer:

Complimentary meals and drinks/even wine
Frequent Flyer programSeems like a Student Project to me, plus if it was true, they must have VERY deep pockets

For each booking (not for each person) made online: a charge of 3 Australian Dollars.
When you buy your ticket you will be advised of taxes, fees and charges not included in the fare, most of which will normally be shown separately on the ticket. The taxes, fees and charges imposed on air travel are constantly changing and can be imposed after the ticket has been issued.
If there is such an increase, you will be obliged to pay it. Likewise, if a new tax, fee or change is imposed after your ticket has been issued, you will be obliged to pay it. Similarly, if taxes, fees or charges you paid when the ticket was issued are then abolished or reduced so a lesser amount is due, you will be entitled to a refund.:confused::confused::confused::confused::co nfused:

[Greg F]

When i go to the website of VivaJet i get a blank page?!?!

Edit: the SUPER duper IT people they must have save simply removed the front page.... All other links work?!?!

[lloyd fox]

Guys have a look at today's Australian.

Looks like a goer

SYD-MEL planning 88 return flights a week.

The schedules loaded in their web site appear not to be correct.Just ignore them no airline will reveal their plans as early as this.

[Greg F]

As if you would be so stupid to start an airline at this point in time........
Another OzJet attempt in my opinion............

[Philip Argy]

The website is blank at present but here's what it looked like when it was visible:
http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:-kEmP9Ht_igJ:www.vivajet.com.au/+VivaJet+Australia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au

Although the entity Visajet Airlines Pty Ltd was registered in October 2006 in Bentleigh, Victoria, it still does not appear on the Australian Business Register which means it has no ABN. That suggests to me that it won't be getting off the ground any time soon. :rolleyes:

[Marty H]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23890644-5015661,00.html

[Clarke P]

Bankstown?? Interesting.

[Torin Wilson]

The website is blank at present but here's what it looked like when it was visible:
http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:-kEmP9Ht_igJ:www.vivajet.com.au/+VivaJet+Australia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au

Although the entity Visajet Airlines Pty Ltd was registered in October 2006 in Bentleigh, Victoria, it still does not appear on the Australian Business Register which means it has no ABN. That suggests to me that it won't be getting off the ground any time soon. :rolleyes:


VivaJet Airlines Pty Ltd ACN 122 128 090

their website still works - www.vivajet.com.au/index.html

[Marty H]

Pie in the sky rubbish so it seems

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23891972-664,00.html

[Greg F]

Thats funny!

Would 'YOU' invest in a start up airline in Australia at the moment? with our long term airlines feeling the pinch, some facing losses..... Grounding A/C.... Cutting Services......
:confused::confused:

[Adam G]

Yet they give an example of $49 ADL-BNE, which is just impossible for a airline to charge when they offer:

Complimentary meals and drinks/even wine
Frequent Flyer programSeems like a Student Project to me, plus if it was true, they must have VERY deep pockets

Lukas - it's far from impossible if yield managed - I think you'll find few airlines make money off the cheapest fares on board - they make their $$ from the higher yield fares.

No-one sells entire aircraft at low cost fares, the whole flight is yield managed to ensure that it breaks even or makes money if possible.

[Chris Tully]

No-one sells entire aircraft at low cost fares, the whole flight is yield managed to ensure that it breaks even or makes money if possible.

Not so in the LCC world Adam. LCC's work on a mix of fare variation and seat factor. As LCC's do not have a great range of fare subclasses that legacy carriers have, they have less flexibility in sharper yield management. There is a balance on fare pricing and seat factor. So long as the seat factor is sufficient based the pricing levels they control for that particular sector then the flight will prove profitable. I know with JQ they need to meet seat factors of at least 70 odd percent in-order to earn a return on the sector subject the fare variation and uptake.

[Adam G]

Chris - I think we are talking about the same thing...

For example lets say that an aircraft needs to make $XYZ to break even on a flight.

To make up $XYZ the airline then develops a fare strategy - that says the first A% of seats sells at $X, the next B% at $Y etc etc - now that alone only generates revenue if you get enough pax on board to reach your break even load factor (say 70% as your quoting for JQ). Therefore you also create different fare classes - say sale, restricted, flexible, fully flexible, Y+ etc. By doing that on particular routes the a/c may actually become profitable well below the normal break even load factor (for example 50 fully flexible tickets may result in the flight breaking even at the same point that the bottom 2 fare classes would normally have to be empited by with 100+ seats sold) - then the airline can offer a further batch of low yield seats as from that point any revenue on board (assuming it's profitable revenue which sometimes sale fares are not) is a nice addition.

Using load factor as a break even point for a majority of airlines, including all but the very basic of LCC's won't work as there are enough fare classes in play to provide a significent difference in the yield regardless of load factor.

[Will T]

Virgin Blue's description of their own approach to yield/revenue management is here:

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/BusinessCompetition/Anti-competitivePractices/Applications/ContentFiles/Documents/VirginBlue-notesonyieldmanagement7March2003.pdf

This is fairly representative of how most LCCs do it.

[Adam P.]

And that document is an Airline Revenue Management course in 30 seconds! ;)

[Chris Tully]

A PLAN to launch a new airline business from a house in suburban Bentleigh appears to have crashed before take-off.

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority made it clear yesterday that would-be carrier VivaJet, which hopes to begin flying before Christmas, would not get approval to fly this year.

VivaJet Airlines Pty Ltd, a start-up company owned and now being promoted by Cenap Hasmet Kahyaoglu, wants to begin passenger and cargo flights before the end of 2008.

CASA spokesman Peter Gibson told BusinessDaily yesterday that VivaJet had "not held formal or informal" talks with anyone in his department.

"There is an approval process for this and it is a process that takes about 12 months when an operator starts from scratch," said Mr Gibson.

"It is certainly not achievable by November," he added.

Start-up airline businesses are required to obtain an Air Operator's Certificate from CASA.

The certificate is a licence to fly passengers and is granted to the chief pilot of an airline once a stringent set of safety standards are met.

In VivaJet's case the issue becomes even more complex because Mr Kahyaoglu plans to wet lease aircraft, operating crew as well as maintenance technicians from the US.

Before any VivaJet plane flew commercially, the aircraft, the pilots and crew as well as the maintenance contractors would have to seek and obtain CASA approval.

As an aviation industry source noted: "Everything is possible providing you have the time to wait and the money to fund it".

VivaJet, which already has a website complete with various operating schedules, says on its website it will commence in 2008 with new Embraer 170 and 190 passenger aircraft, and French built ATR-72 and Airbus A300F jets.

"Welcome to VivaJet Airlines, where service is no coincidence," the site proclaims, declaring that: "The newest domestic airline in Australia is getting ready to operate in 2008."

The site promises to "deliver a standard of domestic air-travel never experienced before in Australia . . . and all this on a low-fare basis, including food and drinks".

No explanation is offered about how a start-up business could offer low fares and food and drink in the present climate of high fuel costs.



The Australian (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23896813-664,00.html?from=public_rss)

[Zac M]

They have taken all the schedualdes off the website now.