Airbus are measuring themselves against an aircraft brought to market 20+ years ago? One would think advancements in technology (despite associated increases in complexity) would render improvements in despatch reliability. Surely?

http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2010/05/17/

More on the "3Fatty" from FBE

Last couple of paragraphs are interesting

Yet another article by Saj so I will take it with a grain of biased salt!

Take it with whatever you wish. Doesn't change the fact the A380 is a financial disaster, just as my colleage Aboulafia asserts.

But then, its always easier to shoot the messenger rather than debate the message.

And Saj, did you seek anyone else out to give their opinion of the A380's finanical prospects to perhaps balance your own (obvious) opinions, or did you just go to Aboulafia knowing he would back your own assertions up?

You're not propogating the debate by only using the opinions and comments of people that you know will support your own! :rolleyes:

Its pointless debating the message when no amount of debating will get through to you!

Who should I have asked when Airbus themselves (from Enders downwards) note that its a financial drain?

Classic example of failing to address the A380s miserable financial situation and instead turn the focus elsewhere. And if you were even half connected to the debacle to the A380 as I am, you'd know that's its not just Ricahrd and I who are critical of its non-existent business case. I'll leave that to you to find out sir.

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So, "Is the A380 a financial drain?" the best question you've got to ask? :eek: Hmmm... :rolleyes: A drain at the moment doesn't necessarily translate to a...I'm not going to get into a ****ing contest with you about who's connected to whom. Most of the people on this forum know me and my credentials - I'll let them judge.

Nah, bugger it - just last week I spoke with Tom Enders, Tom Williams, John Leahy and Richard Carcaillet about just this subject and others, as well as getting opinions from several notable commentators who have no allegience to Airbus or Boeing.

I (and they) agree it's a financial drain, but with 10-15 years of production ahead of it, it's way too early to be calling the A380 a financial disaster!

So a program that has more than doubled in cost to over $25bn and still growing due to cost overruns and design changes, coupled with the inability to price the airplane profitably is not a financial disaster?

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And if its about credentials/connections - I never boasted about mine or impugned yours, stick to the topic instead.

And in 15 years time, the A380 will be a 25 year old dinosaur with about as much sales/profit success as the ageing 767. Over half the A380 customers and backlog continue to be deferred, adding yet more production, planning, staff and supplier costs. But of course, they don't matter from a financial perspective, do they?

But I digress...

Hmmm...:rolleyes:

But I digress...