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Stefan Perkas 11th January 2016 10:27 PM

Singapore Airlines to announce Singpaore-Canberra-Wellington Service
 
Evening all,

4x a week using A330-300's routing Singapore-Canberra-Wellington

Quote:

We understand Singapore Airlines chief executive Goh Choon Phong will descend on our national capital next week to announce the commencement of four weekly flights between Singapore and Canberra. And thanks to tricky aircraft utilisation, the airline will use the same Airbus A330 to operate an onward Canberra-Wellington return service.
http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window...0160111-gm3dju

Adrian B 12th January 2016 06:59 AM

How will that work with customs?

MarkR 12th January 2016 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrian B (Post 98202)
How will that work with customs?

In what respect? Canberra is a designated international airport and has the facilities re customs, bio security already in place. The terminal is currently being modified/built so that two gates can act as an international or domestic facility, much like Adelaide.

Dave Dale 12th January 2016 07:37 AM

This may be a silly question, but will SQ be able to sell the Canberra - Wellington flight by itself?

Rowan McKeever 12th January 2016 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkR (Post 98203)
The terminal is currently being modified/built so that two gates can act as an international or domestic facility, much like Adelaide.

It was built that way. Down the VA end of the building there's a glass partition which can be closed off (just like at ADL) to separate the domestic and international areas, and pax for international access that area via escalators. As Mark says, there's already provision for the border agencies down there.

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Originally Posted by Dave Dale (Post 98204)
This may be a silly question, but will SQ be able to sell the Canberra - Wellington flight by itself?

It's hard to say with any certainty because the version of the AUS / SIN treaty which is available on the Government's treaty website is so old it doesn't even show Singaporean carriers as having rights for BNE, ADL or CNS, which we know they do. However in that version they DO have beyond rights (i.e. fifth freedom) to AKL. So it's probably fair to assume Singaporean carriers now hold beyond rights to WLG as well, as it's hard to believe SQ would take on a route such as this (nor NZ & VA join them in it, which I'd imagine they will) without it.

MarkR 12th January 2016 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rowan McKeever (Post 98205)
It's hard to say with any certainty because the version of the AUS / SIN treaty which is available on the Government's treaty website is so old it doesn't even show Singaporean carriers as having rights for BNE, ADL or CNS, which we know they do. However in that version they DO have beyond rights (i.e. fifth freedom) to AKL. So it's probably fair to assume Singaporean carriers now hold beyond rights to WLG as well, as it's hard to believe SQ would take on a route such as this (nor NZ & VA join them in it, which I'd imagine they will) without it.

The treaty does not reflect the 2003 MOU which I believe took into account the open skies NZ AUS agreement and opened up fifth freedom to all ports within NZ and Australia for Singapore airlines.

Interesting move going to Wellington, from one marginal airport to another depending on the weather conditions.

Probably worth mentioning that Canberra has been here before with the short lived Air Pacific International flights, Singapore and Wellington I suspect will be more popular.

Rowan McKeever 12th January 2016 08:15 AM

Cheers Mark, I guessed there was an MoU along those lines but couldn't find anything in a brief look.

The FJ service sprang to mind for me when I read this news last night but at least SIN has the connectivity to Asia & Europe without having to go through SYD, MEL, BNE etc. Good luck to them!

Nils Kenny 12th January 2016 01:09 PM

I think you will find that Singapore Airlines have done years of research, and they will be looking at a lot of Government DOD for the Canberra to Wellington Leg, also don't forget the people with in 2 hours drive of Canberra Airport, like Albury, Wagga at the South Coast, be able to get to ASIA and Europe without having to go thru Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. I also her the Canberra Government has given them a great deal, to fly there.

Mark Grima 12th January 2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nils Kenny (Post 98218)
don't forget the people with in 2 hours drive of Canberra Airport, like Albury, Wagga at the South Coast, be able to get to ASIA and Europe without having to go thru Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne.

This is a very big selling point by the ACT during negotiations with international frims. The catchment population is slightly under one million of which only about 350,000 live within the ACT borders.

[QUOTE=Nils Kenny;98218 also her the Canberra Government has given them a great deal, to fly there.[/QUOTE]

No doubt. In the nearly 6 years I have lived in the ACT, local members have made many trips to Singapore and I suspect probably a few they haven't announced also.

Robert.M 12th January 2016 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nils Kenny (Post 98218)
also don't forget the people with in 2 hours drive of Canberra Airport, like Albury, Wagga at the South Coast

Will be interesting to see if Wagga and Albury will see another airline fly to Canberra if it can get one or more international flights. Interesting times ahead. :)

MarkR 12th January 2016 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nils Kenny (Post 98218)
I think you will find that Singapore Airlines have done years of research, and they will be looking at a lot of Government DOD for the Canberra to Wellington Leg, also don't forget the people with in 2 hours drive of Canberra Airport, like Albury, Wagga at the South Coast

I am sure they have done their research, but I do wonder! For instance total pax numbers between Wellington and Sydney averages 380 a day one way, while Wellington Melbourne is 315, and they are adding 285 seats to the same destination???

Rowan McKeever 12th January 2016 11:02 PM

Not exactly... they're adding 285 seats to more than two destinations. CBR, SIN and a decent chunk of the SQ network.

As an aside, are the A330s getting Premium Economy???

MarkR 13th January 2016 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rowan McKeever (Post 98235)
Not exactly... they're adding 285 seats to more than two destinations. CBR, SIN and a decent chunk of the SQ network.

As an aside, are the A330s getting Premium Economy???

I was looking at the tag flight more than the Singapore flight, for the simple reason I don't think it makes much sense given the trains Tasman traffic numbers. Onward traffic will be minimal as MH found, albeit to AKL.

Joe Frampton 13th January 2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkR (Post 98236)
I was looking at the tag flight more than the Singapore flight, for the simple reason I don't think it makes much sense given the trains Tasman traffic numbers. Onward traffic will be minimal as MH found, albeit to AKL.

Although you would have to say, SQ have always had a lot more onward options than MH ever had, not withstanding current shenanigans such as the baggage blues to Europe... MH certainly may have some issues right now. I regard SQ as a serious premium product, and I think many average punters out there do as well.

StevenW 13th January 2016 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rowan McKeever (Post 98235)
As an aside, are the A330s getting Premium Economy???

I was told "not yet" but I didn't speak to anybody who would know for sure. My fingers are crossed, but I'm not hopeful. Their A330 business product from Adelaide to Singapore isn't anything special and to be honest it's not worth $400 per hour.

Zac M 19th January 2016 09:47 PM

Announcement set to happen at 11am tomorrow with services commencing in August!

Alex Lui 19th January 2016 09:57 PM

Any idea of the schedule yet?

Is the press conference at Canberra Airport?

Zac M 19th January 2016 10:10 PM

Press conference/announcement will be happening in front of gate 9 at Canberra Airport

Alex Lui 19th January 2016 10:21 PM

Thank you.

Any SIA aircraft flying in for the occasion?

Zac M 19th January 2016 11:04 PM

Doesn't look like it

Alex Lui 20th January 2016 10:10 AM

Just heard it seems the route is starting sept 20 4x week and it's a 777 not a330.

Stefan Perkas 20th January 2016 12:53 PM

Afternoon all,

4 flights a week starting 20/9/16 using B777-200ER's. Flights arrive in CBR and WLG Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday

SQ291 Dep SIN 2300 Arr CBR 0835+1 Dep CBR 0950 Arr WLG 1505
SQ292 Dep WLG 2015 Arr CBR 2205 Dep CBR 2330 Arr SIN 0550+1

Yusef D 20th January 2016 05:02 PM

Customer friendly timings. Easy when you're using a low-demand old 777 I guess.

Radi K 21st January 2016 12:15 PM

Perfect time for FOG too ;) doesn't clear till after 10am and sets in early at night.

Kim F 21st January 2016 04:07 PM

For those doing the entire Singapore - Wellington trip, the transit stop in Canberra will be a tad boring as they will be kept quarantined from the area where the coffee shop/bar/newsagent is. Might even keep them on board I guess

Mark Grima 22nd July 2016 12:37 PM

60 days to go. The international terminal to be of 'business' standard.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-...19-gq8xtd.html

Jarden S 27th July 2016 09:51 AM

Air NZ should start AKL - CBR flights with a good connection point for their North American routes same terminal. It will come eventually suprised SQ got in first though!

Rowan McKeever 20th September 2016 01:12 PM

Tomorrow (Wednesday 21st Sept) sees the commencement of Singapore Airlines' service SIN-CBR-WLG vv.

I'm told that, weather and operational requirements permitting, SQ291 SIN-CBR will conduct a flyover of the CBD and Lake Burley Griffin area prior to its scheduled arrival at 0835. Sadly, BOM is forecasting cloudy with an 80% chance of 8-20mm of rain for tomorrow ("morning and afternoon").

Still too early for a rego at this stage but can all but rule out 9V-SQN and -SRO.

Kim F 20th September 2016 01:14 PM

I thought it was an 8:50 arrival ?

Rowan McKeever 20th September 2016 01:32 PM

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...1537c79aba.jpg

Definitely 0835 based on SQ online flight status and also the email I saw this morning.

Stefan Perkas 20th September 2016 09:30 PM

Eveing all,

9V-SRP has the honours of operating the inaugural flight.

Grahame Hutchison 20th September 2016 11:14 PM

9V-SRP last visited Sydney on 08/06/2013.

Mark Grima 21st September 2016 09:07 AM

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Excuse the rubbish photos to go with the rubbish weather but here is a couple images of this mornings arrival in the Canberra.

Not hanging around for the departure to Wellington, weather is not improving anytime soon.

There were a few people out for the arrival. Hopefully someone else will have much better photos.

Cheers

M

Shaal L 21st September 2016 09:31 AM

good view of it at the gate on the Canberra airport webcam

Kim F 21st September 2016 09:40 AM

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It was very wet !

James Smith 21st September 2016 09:44 AM

SQ291 arrived a little early into Canberra. I presume, looking at the weather, that they were not able to perform the flyover. The webcam shows low cloud and light rain and they are just closing up the hold now in readiness for departure to Wellington.

James Smith 21st September 2016 10:21 AM

Airborne and passing 20,000. Track on FlightAware had it planned via Culin and Tesat which would have it overflying Sydney. But he has now been given a more direct track and is heading east at present.

James Smith 21st September 2016 10:26 AM

Crossing over Jervis Bay at present and looks to be tracking direct to Pluga.

Greg Hyde 21st September 2016 12:11 PM

Arrival shown on ABCNews

Zac M 21st September 2016 01:43 PM

The city flyover was cancelled due to a passenger requiring medical assistance.

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