Qantas 787
 

This thread will be dedicated the most likely ordered Boeing 787-9s and any other variants Qantas may order in the future.

Qantas pilot pay deal allowing 787s agreed by pilots!

From SBS news
Qantas' long-haul pilots have backed a planned 18-month pay freeze as part of a wages deal that moves the airline closer to buying more Dreamliners.
Source: AAP
Qantas is closer to buying a fleet of Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft after most of its long-haul pilots agreed to an 18-month pay freeze as part of a new wage deal.
The deal, which was backed by 82 per cent of 1,165 pilots who voted in an electronic ballot, includes annual three per cent pay increases once the pay freeze lifts.
The airline's ability to strike new pay deals and wage freezes with its staff is understood to be a key factor behind whether Qantas finally decides whether to buy the new fleet of Dreamliners later this year.
"The new agreement helps build the case for future investment in new aircraft for Qantas International," a Qantas spokesman said in a statement

Bit premature......

I hardly think so?

'After all this is the light approaching finally at the end of the dark long tunnel'

How long would QF take to bring the B787 into service ?

Considering JQ has already down the the heavy lifting.

A couple of years regardless, the first slot they have is late 2017.

So are the first 5 787-9s if they decide to take them delivery from 1H FY18

But if they can they may want to have more the 5 in the FY18 through purchase rights if they available.

"Mr Joyce indicated Qantas could take delivery of new Boeing 787-9 aircraft as early as 2017 to help replace its ageing fleet of 747s. "We are working through the route economics and the network economics," he said, adding Qantas had recently reexamined the rival business case for Airbus A350s but decided the Boeing product was best for its needs."

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...03-giqtxl.html

I assume Qantas will select the GEnx engines for their 787s like Jetstar?

Hate to be the one stirring the pot, but a Boeing owned and operated BBJ was spotted in SYD today...

http://www.facebook.com/groups/116744805153552/?fref=ts

Just sayin' :P

Looks like a private Facebook group Rowan.

Confirmed 8 787-9s for Qantas
 

Four in FY2018 and four in FY2019

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/2015082...z48490snx1.pdf

Qantas will enter a new era of global opportunities, fuel efficiency and passenger comfort when the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner joins the Qantas International fleet from 2017.
The national carrier will acquire eight B787-9s to gradually replace five of its older Boeing 747s on Qantas International routes and open up a range of potential new city pairs. Four B787-9s will arrive in financial year 2018 and four will arrive in financial year 2019. This will leave the Qantas Group with its six youngest reconfigured B747s.
Announcing the decision after a rigorous assessment process, Qantas confirmed it had met the strict conditions for re-investment in a new long haul fleet type:
A return to strong profitability for Qantas International in financial year 2015, with the business reporting underlying Earnings Before Interest and Tax of $267 million – a turnaround of $764 million compared with financial year 2016 – and Return On Invested Capital above its cost of capital.
Net debt reduction of $1.1 billion since financial year 2013.
A competitive business case, including a new agreement with Qantas’ long-haul
pilots. This agreement incorporates a 30 per cent productivity increase.
Qantas will retain 15 further options and 30 purchase rights for additional B787s, with significant flexibility over the timing of delivery should they be exercised.
Qantas will work with its team of internal experts and external designers to develop worldleading cabin interiors for the new Dreamliner. This will add to the aircraft’s unique features, including improved cabin pressure, larger windows and technology to reduce turbulence.
Chief executive Alan Joyce said the Dreamliner’s advantages for Qantas’ people and customers were hugely exciting.
“This milestone acquisition marks the scale of our turnaround and looks ahead to a new era for our iconic international airline,” Mr Joyce said.
“We’re halfway through the biggest and fastest transformation in our history. Qantas is rapidly growing fitter, stronger, and smarter. These aircraft are a fitting emblem of that evolution – they show that we are revitalised and here for the long haul.
“We have looked closely at every aspect of the Dreamliner and it’s the right aircraft for Qantas’ future.
“The key reason we chose this particular aircraft is its incredible efficiency. Its new technology will reduce fuel burn, cut heavy maintenance requirements and open up new destinations around the globe.
“Because the 787 is smaller than the jumbos it will gradually replace, it gives us the flexibility of having more aircraft without significantly changing our overall capacity.
“Every Qantas aircraft is a symbol of Australia and these aircraft will represent Australian excellence and ambition on a global scale.”
The acquisition of B787s for Qantas International is contained within Qantas’ existing capital expenditure guidance.

So the 744s have two to three years left in them before they go leaving just the ERs.

Hi...

So the five x 744's to be retired after the 789's arrive, must be the following??

OEB
OJM
OJS
OJT
OJU

Is that correct?

Geez how old would that make OJM in 2017 then? 26?

http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...plementary.pdf

On page 15 it says that 1 747 is being retired in FY16. So that would make 10 747s then obviously the 8 787s replace 5 older 747s which leaves 5 not 6. Am i missing something?

I think they are counting the 1 in the five total, retiring an ER would be a bit premature unless they know something about the oil price in two years time. Logic suggests it's OJM that will go soon.

I'd be more inclined to say OEB will go first, but one would think it will all be about the same time anyway....

I suspect OEB has a few more years on the Captains Choice contract to serve.

Qantas has confirmed an order for 8 B787-9 Dreamliners, to enter service in 2017, replacing 5 Boeing 747s.

Four aircraft will be delivered in 2107-2018 (FY), and four in 2018-2019 (FY).

Alan Joyce mentioned Melbourne-Dallas as a possible new QF Dreamliner route, and they will be looking at other International opportunities.

This is great news!
I wonder what QANTAS are going to name these birds. I would like them to be named after Australian capital cities like the old 744's were. I'm assuming their registration will either be VH-OGx, VH-EAx or VH-OJx.

So for the 744 retirements, it's a big shame that the younger Rolls-Royces are going too. Well the 787's are being delivered in two years so they will be quite old by the time they are withdrawn. I originally thought they were going to get rid of two of the ERs but I assume that the other two airframes of the five Qantas said were retiring are OJM and OEB.

with OJM or OEB retiring this financial 2015/16

Why would they get rid of the ER's? They're not that old.

So technically the 8 787-9s are replacing 4 B747s with growth because they only need 10 to maintain the current network with OJM be retired this Financial Year.

Emirates, Qantas mapping out next stage of partnership


Dubai: The expansion of the Emirates-Qantas partnership over the next five years includes Emirates looking at launching flights to secondary Australian cities and Qantas considering flying to continental Europe via Dubai, using Boeing 787s.
Emirates and Qantas started the historic revenue partnership in 2013 with the Australian carrier dropping a 17-year relationship with British Airways to move its London-bound hub from Singapore, to Dubai.
Emirates flies to Australia’s four major hubs: Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth along with Adelaide, and Qantas flies from Sydney and Melbourne to London via Dubai.
Emirates airline President Tim Clark told reporters in Dubai on Monday that he met with Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce last week and the two airlines agreed to “map the way forward over the next three [to] five years.”
“Sydney, Melbourne and Perth are going to be primary areas,” Clark said.
Asked if Emirates could fly to secondary cities in Australia, Clark said: “Darwin, Cairns, Broome, Alice Springs. Look, there are lots [of possibilities].”

http://m.gulfnews.com/business/aviat...ship-1.1595486

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-boein...n=home-flipper

There is a lot of talk here about another 744 leaving the fleet in the 15/16 year. I think you will find that although OJI did its lasts flights in June including the ferry flight to its grave, it did not actually leave the fleet till JULY, so that is the 744 that went in 15/16. At the moment it is actually impossible for QF to do all its 744 services without 11 aircraft, BNE/LAX 2, SYD/LAX/JFK 2, MEL/LAX 1, SYD/HKG 1, SYD/NRT & SYD/JNB 3, SYD/SCL 1 plus Saturday. Then we have SYD/YVR from December 6 days. 5 days of 744 are available when HKG goes to a 380 on 14567 from 10 December.

Agree, I mentioned that in another thread a few weeks back. Nothing to go for a while on the 744 front.

I agree currently they can't use retire any more 747s at the moment. However if they use 2-3 more A332 that were from Jetstar to replace the SYD-HKG 747 and convert the SYD-HND to only use 1 aircraft and then convert to A332 then another 2 at least can be retired. Surely this is possible?

And VH-OJI arrived in MHV on the 28th of June 2015, not in FY16

That's not going to happen. There are restrictions on the time of day during which Australian carriers can be granted slots at HND (officially announced as 0000-0605 but that's obviously changed as QF departs at 2200) and there is little in the way of public transport available at HND if QF were to arrive and depart without sitting around all day. Other timings would also not be particularly business-friendly, and that's the market QF is after.

Surely this hypothetical you mean? There are reasons why the schedule is the way it is. 747s to Hong Kong are used for premium passengers. The route is business heavy and knocking it down to an A330 just won't do.

Did you miss the point here? OJI is the aircraft meant to retire for the 15/16 year, so it retired slightly earlier.

Yes indeed hyperthetical

perth to London non-stop
 

http://www.traveller.com.au/qantas-p...-london-gk6yqc

time will tell

With the 6 747ER what would be best. Hang on to them and replace them with the B777X like FY2021-2022 or replace them with 787-9s say a year earlier?

I though the 787 order was for the replacement of the ER's.

NO not the ER's but to replace OJM, OJS, OJT, OJU and OEB

What could be the 747 first routes to which the 8 787s will replace and increase services on those routes? Will Qantas probably order the next lot of 787-9s next year to start new destinations like European destinations through Dubai and/or replace the 747ERs?

Bne-Lax once the shorter proving/famil flights are done...