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No I am not sitting here trying to stir things up. What a cop out! No where have we read that this pilot has tried to influence risk management at Virgin to change this practice, no where have we read that the pilot has taken the matter to task with Virgin, or report it through some chain of command. Has any of this occurred? Has there been engagement of occupational health and safety? Was this a first resort approach to an end result? Virgin obviously had a system in place for flight charts which worked for many years that even themselves would have thought not to be too onerous on the pilot. We only ever hear one side of the story and in this case, it was from documentation filed with the Supereme Court by the plaintiff. We have not heard the response from Virgin. I stand by my assertion that the pilot should harden up. I anticipate a very good response from Virgin in relation to this matter. I do not know you, Owen and Chris, but to call me an ínternet stirrer', perhaps I should see you both sitting behind the said pilot, in the gallery of the Supreme Court with your placards, "Poor pilot, how could this have been?'' Dave |
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I helped a mate with a back injury by lifting his 15kg TV, I was out of action for nearly 3 years...your reply is what's frivolous.
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I agree with Andrew from the point of veiw that, to get a job doing lifting of any sorts (baggage handler etc) you would have had to have a medical or at least basic training to teach you how to lift a bag of heavy weight the correct way. (Bending down and not using your back completely) In this case the bag wasn't the heaviest bag but it was of a weight that the captain should have adjusted to compensate for the weight. So I dont believe Andrew's post was wrong just wrongly worded.
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Pilots cannot just suddenly start using them - it would need to be approved by the company.
A pilot does not have a choice - if the company requires charts, and insists the pilot provide them, then he must do so. He cannot choose to mitigate this by the use of the iPad or similar device unless they are specifically approved. The law suit may be frivolous... but it comes as a very big surprise to me that Virgin still insist pilots provide their own charts on the aircraft. Virgin are a major international carrier. That is the big surprise here to me. A back injury suffered by a pilot is no surprise at all. |
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To bring some law into this, rather than all the "harden up" comments, I have copied the following from the WorkCover (NSW) website:
A primary duty of care is owed by [an employer] when it:
The [employer] must meet its obligations, so far as is reasonably practicable, to provide a safe and healthy workplace for workers or other persons by ensuring:
Basically, this guy has a reasonable case if he can demonstrate that practicable and safer alternatives were available and that he wasn't provided adequate training. Now all the "harden up" people are going to say that you shouldn't need training for lifting a 16kg bag, but the lower back is generally not particularly strong and using the wrong lifting technique can cause damage. Now, if he was given training on the proper way to lift, then it may be more difficult to prove damages. I would be honestly amazed if he never received any lifting guidance - in this day and age of lawsuits, almost every employer has a compulsory H&S induction, including lifting techniques. I'm an engineer and will likely never lift anything heavier than a pad of paper in my career, but I still had the training.
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But Gareth is right, regarding if there is a legal case, But again I dont think there was many large forms of technology that supported electronic books back then, and from my knowledge not CASA approved. |
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ust fyi..I'm currently out on 30 days disability after helping a older lady get her bag out of the overhead (so we working crew could get past to exit the aircraft ...f/a's were busy with other Pax. Bag must have been full of rocks (weighed a bunch) but i pulled it out the wrong way not expecting the weight and pulled a back muscle....and I have no history of back problems !!! Bottom line is that after filling in a proverbial bag full of paperwork (how why when where etc) and trying to explain how this was/is part of my job description (company say's not) I now have the union involved and now am in the middle of one big mess. Sue ??? Probably not since I'm confident in my union rep...but, interesting thought !!! Regardless of how many ipads/pods/or Iwhatevers they give me they will all go in my flight bag along with all my other crap....been carrying it for almost 40 years...not about to go without it now (for the time when all the other stuff fails...anyway..doing Jepps updates is therapeutic ....goes great with a beer or three...plan B is that it helps pass the time when commuting....and I dont have to recharge it !!!!
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