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[Thomas Collins]

The facts are well known that VAI is making profit with 5(!) B77Ws on key trunk routes…

Evidence of this James?

Everyone needs to remember that the fleet decisions were made in 2000. The plan was supposed to be A380 for hubbing, and B787 for point-to-point. The decisions were based on the operating environment at that time, which has also changed dramatically. Remember, there were limited LCC's. Jetstar, had not even been proposed.

For some reason everyone forgets that the B787 is some five years late… Makes a difference.

During that time, Jetstar was formed, and for a LCC to be profitable, it needs the lowest cASK's possible. The B787 delivers on those metrics, especially with fuel burn etc. Remember, JQ was not supposed to be kitted with 330's. B78's were supposed to be the fleet for JQI.

The Group had to deliver to JQ the first B787's in order to meet-the-model.

Qantas did not make any mistakes. It made the best decisions based on the equipment on offer at the time, and the B777 model offered at that time, did not offer the right economics, Qantas could achieve against the alternative metal, and "future" metal on offer…

Very different playing field 14 years ago…

[JamesL]

Originally Posted by Neil L

Not a sore point James.

Just as I express an opinion then so can you and others.

Just sick and tired of the anti QF attitudes and that they should have brought B777's that keep cropping up. To be honest just gets tedious as the subject is flogged to death over the years on this and other boards.

I worked in the industry for a long time and still have many reliable contacts including knowing some of those who were involved in those decisions.

Remember the A380 & B787-8/9 should have been delivered years earlier than has happened. They were ordered as the most suitable aircraft at that time. The B777's at that time were considered unsuitable.

Remember that VA also cancelled their 6th B777

As you know, things change rapidly in this business, that is why it is exciting.

Absolutely, and you are right, the 6th option was never cancelled

[Jaryd stock]

Actually Thomas the mistake was made when Qantas was invited to share in the development by Boeing of the 777 and they refused to even consider it. Then again there was the decision to look in to the 777 series of aircraft during the early 2000's and again refused. Even Ex and current head management have acknowledged that this was an oversight, they were to 747/A380 centric and also not have the longsightedness to see that eventually the economy and introduction later on of LCC's impact on their 'brand' if you could call it that. Fair enough the board were looking at the tech for the there and then scenario but that really is narrow mindedness on their part.

Look at Air NZ as an example of how good management look to the future, not just the aircraft choices they've made but also the product they've established after some pretty bleak periods. They saw the good as nearly every other airline have done in the 777 and have reaped the rewards, also by being pro-active in their approach by thinking of a new product to introduce into service. And the way the board conducted themselves around their employees. It is interesting what Fyfe did early on to get Air NZ back to being a world class act.

In my mind the problems started long before Current board and CEO got in control.

[Montague S]

Originally Posted by Ryan K

I agree. QF have old A330's flying around Asia and A380's flying half empty to London at various times of the year. Imagine if they had a fleet of Boeing 787's and Boeing 777's flying trans-Pacific routes, point to point Asian routes and services through to Europe and London? Oh, if only........

you reckon SQ or EK don't have half empty A380's flying out of god knows where at certain times of the year? and EK sure as heck has half empty 777's flying around the globe too, been on quite a few myself too.

[Grahame Hutchison]

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Qantas today announced new inbound tourism data for regional Australia as it marks the first year of the Qantas and Emirates partnership – with Queensland, Tasmania and the Northern Territory among the winners.

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