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I think there'll only ever be one winner in this argument, and they travel in the pointy end
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Lukas,
Couple of things to point out. 1. If the Captain chooses to let someone use an electronic device, then there is no breach of the Civil Aviation Regulations is there? Unless Oliver had permission (I highly doubt it), then he's in breach of the CAR's. 2. Oliver can operate his phone (in flight mode) when instructed by the crew, just like he shouldn't be operating his phone when instructed by the crew. 3. There are very very few Australian airline cockpits, in the take off and landing phases, in amongst all those photo's you've referred to me. Saying something isn't it? My point still stands, Oliver has breached a regulation by not conforming to what the crew (in effect the PIC) has instructed him to do. Paul |
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Well said Paul.
I've got an Air Law exam coming up soonish, perhaps you can sit it for me, . Mick |
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Oh my, I'm sure the plane was only moments away from falling out of the sky right there.....
If the phone was in airplane mode than it makes absolutely NO difference to anything, as it transmits or receives nothing. Filming a takeoff isn't hurting anyone, or risking safety providing airplane mood is on (If it isn't the risk is still debatable). Surely people aren't this precious? |
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Yes, sure, lets all disregard CAR's then ! I'm guessing you're the same person that drives through red lights early in the morning because there isn't any other traffic around !
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Jakef,
Whether you think it makes a difference or not, as Paul has pointed out, you are breaching a Civil Aviation Regulation by not doing what the Captain of the aircraft has asked you to do. Jason, I'm not up with all the science of exactly what a mobile phone can do, but from my experience it can create rather distracting buzzing sounds through the radio's of aircraft when going in and out of reception. Whether this does anything to navigation equipment, I'm not sure, but I imagine it has the potential to do so. The point Paul has made still stands however, the rules are written for good reason. If you are directed to do something, for god's sake, just do it. Mick |
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I wonder how Oliver's enthusiasm for aviation is going? I am in awe on how the laws are brought out in every regard to demonstrate his misgivings and how he had broken them. However, the same notions of law obedience apply throughout our whole life and not just on an aircraft. I am quite certain that we all have disregarded the law at some point. I cannot help but think that a certain hypocrisy lies within some of these posts. Although the point of Oliver filming when he should not have has been made time and again, I feel that it serves no purpose to keep smacking him down for it.
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I think the point has been made here, please keep any further replies on topic.
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@Daniel M: Actually I'm the type of person who always stops at red lights. Not a comparable issue, if the phone was in airplane mode than it is not transmitting, receiving, or doing anything that makes it different to an ordinary camera.
Fair enough it may be in the CAR's but still, was he hurting anybody? No. Was it a safety risk? No. You just have to look at the tens of thousands of takeoff/landing videos on youtube to see that this is a fairly common practice. I've been sitting next to someone on a flight who was still sending and receiving text messages throughout the entire flight when she had reception, I'm still alive so it can't be that bad. To keep it on topic, great video PS: If you want to see something really dangerous in regards to Australian aviation on youtube, you can certainly find it... |
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