Garuda & instructions...

[Gerry S]

D Chan,
That perception was the predominant one until GA200... then everyone started to question "what the heck did Garuda miss?" And apparently, quite a bit according to the accident report. The scary bit is, GA exceeds the regulatory requirements in a few areas BUT, that being unchecked by the regulators who should be playing catch up, leaves some critical areas where they should have not let themselves down in... eg: making sure everyone gets adequate training on hearing GPWS warnings (it sounds simple enough, but, apparently they didn't apply that uniformly).

Discussions on banning whatever country criticised our aviation was rampant last year, and luckily, those voices quickly died out. Australia's access to Indonesian airspace, and vice versa, is "secure" for the moment, as CASA and ATSB has formed unprecendented closer ties with the DGAC and NTSC, mainly through training programs provided by Australia for Indonesian regulators. Japan is also doing this. Australia and Japan are the only two countries providing direct assistance in increasing the regulatory personnel standards.

The other countries, just say they do...

KLM and Lufthansa still flies to Jakarta unhindered. However, calls to banning European airlines from our airspace was reduced to more checks on LH and KL aircraft on the ground in Indonesia... after a few weeks, voices calling for a retaliatory ban were severely muted.

KenK,
From the information I gathered, I'm fairly sure it's in the ATIS too, but the NOTAM in force that day regarding the displaced threshold and it's creation/publication/dissemination time and date is also important. This is because I am curious on how fast GA receives and disseminate foreign NOTAMs. Not receiving the NOTAM can (albeit, with the 738 it won't) affect the dispatch legality of the aircraft. While the flight itself didn't violate any landing performance requirements due to the reduced LDA, not having those NOTAMs would reveal a risk that needs to be addressed for mitigation in the future.

As to the PAPI, yes, the NOTAM I got issued on 10MAY state to use the tempo PAPI as the perm PAPI was unavailable.

On an interesting note, a friend about to operate GA726 between 11 - 17 May, said Ops only got the 10May NOTAM on the 16th. This is why I am curious as to the NOTAM in force on 9May.


AdamG,
GA did try and set a higher standard that what was required, but it appears that they never made sure that updates and new requirements were included in updating their own standards. Coincidentally, our safety regulations are identical to the FAA. Our CASR follows the FAR. But, the guidelines and recommendations put forward by the FAA from time to time don't make it into our CASR or it's supplementary regulations. If one is not careful, one could end up between CASR and FAR but never sure where it actually is.

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Garuda itself is in the process of getting IOSA accreditation. We'll see how they succeed or fail. Garuda and the rest of the country need that IOSA for Garuda for many reasons. One is to proof that attaining that is possible for an Indonesian airline, and second, if the perceived best can't get it, how about the rest? *you know what people's answer would be*.
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There are other heaps of factors on concern regarding Garuda. While we see Garuda as best overall for an Indonesian airline, other airlines have surpassed Garuda's standards in certain aspects, although the overall standard of those particular airlines may be lower than Garuda. One area of concern, is crew training and CRM culture. One incident raised a few eyebrows... that is Sriwijaya's 733 overrun in PGK a month ago. The PIC was a recent intake for the airline, from Garuda, and the 733 crew pool is mainly new intakes, ex GA and Merpati, and that the Ops might not be able to control these guys into following the airline's operating standards... because the general perception is, Garuda's standards are better... where the reality, may proof otherwise, at least in some areas.

Gerry

[Montague S]

bloody hell..Garuda again, this time they were 30km off course on a flight to Perth yesterday. How long before they are banned from our skies? or do more Australian's have to die before action is taken?

[Rhys Xanthis]

Originally Posted by Montague S

bloody hell..Garuda again, this time they were 30km off course on a flight to Perth yesterday. How long before they are banned from our skies? or do more Australian's have to die before action is taken?

hopefully they ban them tomorrow.

ive heard (however true or not) that they lined up on horrie miller dve once..!!


Modified due inappropriate slandering - mod

[Ellis Taylor]

You're right Rhys, they did once but I believe it was back in around '88.

Another incident certainly doesn't bode well for GA, but in many ways it should improve over the next few years. CASA and the ATSB are working with the Indonesian authorities to increase their standards of surveillance on all airlines, and the transparency of the NTSC report into GA200 is unprecedented in Indonesia. So while some changes still need to be made at GA, the systems are coming in place for Garuda as a whole.

[Scott Lindsell]

Originally Posted by Gerry S

*PS: It's good to be back here again after another long absence*

Welcome back Gerry!!!

[Gerry S]

And guess what, Garuda got their IOSA certification this week!

Things are looking up, BUT, somethings still need ironing.
Heard another GA problem with PER airport on wednesday... sad.
Anyone heard anything?

and the transparency of the NTSC report into GA200 is unprecedented in Indonesia.

The NTSC had no choice despite the pressure to keep it covered up by "the usual suspects". It was funny how quickly those "usual suspects" became quiet after an independent report revealed the same facts at the same time the NTSC released the factuals.
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Scott,
Well, back... through the net. Still miss hanging around YSSY like so many years ago.

Gerry

[Johannes C]

Dickson, that is why European ban lift next July, will be on certain carriers, including Garuda, but not over the regulatory oversight bodies.

IMHO, Garuda itself is not that good or bad either. Singapore Airlines could be somehow worser than their neighbours. It is just they have better image and incidents cover ups, while Garuda is a super soft spot for Aussie media.