Garuda & instructions...

[Grant Smith]

Originally Posted by Andrew P

and who followed right in behind it EK, so that makes EK a bad airline too and should be banned from Aussie?

Banjo

You're asking Matt to comment on EK? Hahaha, he's already gone on record stating his dislike for the UAE and in particular DXB..

[Matt_L]

take what I wrote with a grain of salt
It just so happened it was Garuda, all you serious people!
as for EK, yep Grant no comment! but one thing, at least we can say they are a truly safe airline unlike Garuda.
Matt

[Montague S]

Originally Posted by Rhys Xanthis

They wont do that, tourists bring in too much money.

It will harm relations though...im of the opinion that the Indonesians need to be kept in check very closely..

tourists don't just visit Indonesia from Australia..

[Clarke P]

Originally Posted by Montague S

tourists don't just visit Indonesia from Australia..

No, but a fairly large stake of Indonesia's tourism profits would be due to Australian visitors, thus making Australia a key market for Indonesia in terms of tourism.

[Rhys Xanthis]

Originally Posted by Clarke P

No, but a fairly large stake of Indonesia's tourism profits would be due to Australian visitors, thus making Australia a key market for Indonesia in terms of tourism.

We all saw how much Bali suffered after the bombings.

Obviously other countries people didnt go, but a huge amount of Australians go there as a holiday destination (Europeans and Japanese are a big market too i think, but out close proximity makes us important).

A serious question, would anyone from this board fly Garuda without any concern?

[Gerry S]

Any of you guys got the NOTAM for YPPH that was in force on 9MAY? I got one for 10 and 17...

There appears to be 3 problems with this serious incident...
1. GA's ability to receive and disseminate foreign notams in a timely manner. Comments from a friend who crewed GA726 a few days afterwards said he didn't get to see the notam... And last year's GA incident trying to get into a missile testing area is another cause for concern regarding GA and notams.

2. The 2nd landing... Were they given a standard landing clearance or did the landing clearance contain information on the displaced threshold.

3. GA's SOP regarding to visual segment of an instrument approach where the visual slope guidance is out of sync with ILS GP, due to tempo displaced threshold... and whether or not it's the pilot's fault for not following his compay SOP or the airline's fault for not covering that in training.

As to our own aviation safety scene up here, well, your government is paying for our inspectors to be trained in Oz...

At least we got rid of Adam Air... disgrace and an insult to aviation as a whole...

GS

*PS: It's good to be back here again after another long absence*

[D Chan]

I still perceive Garuda to be safer than any of the other indonesian airlines. It's their aviation safety regulatory body that is letting them down.

Just curious also, regarding the possible threat of retaliation in 'banning' Garuda from Australia - when they were banned from Europe did they ban European Airlines from Indonesia?

[Rhys Xanthis]

Not to my knowledge.

Wikipedia says Lufthansa and KLM fly to Jakarta.

[Ken K]

Gerry, one didn't even need to look at the NOTAMs to know about the displaced threshold. It was in the ATIS too...

Regarding visual aids, I believe a temporary PAPI was set up with the displaced threshold marked with V markers.

[Adam G]

Originally Posted by D Chan

I still perceive Garuda to be safer than any of the other indonesian airlines. It's their aviation safety regulatory body that is letting them down.

That's not true.

Regulators set regulations which airlines must follow - I think you'll find that most operators internal processes by far exceed the regulators requirements in a number of areas.

Airlines themselves set the standard in relation to how they operate - even if we believed that the Indonesian regulator was to blame, Garuda could easily set a higher benchmark based on other regulators, widely available regulations (such as CASA or FAA).

Just because you are the safest airline, of a bunch of airlines that are deemed horribly unsafe by world standards doesn't make it right.

11 hull losses....