Garuda & instructions...

[Montague S]

Carsten posted in jetspotter that another incident with our Indonesian friends has now been exposed. Its not the PM's job to administer punishment or investigate this incident..but something needs to be done at Garuda.

Garuda almosts land on airport workers. Will Rudd demand answers?

Ben Sandilands writes:

An alarming incident at Perth Airport involving a Garuda Indonesia
737, more than 100 predominantly Australian passengers and a
construction crew working on a closed section of a runway last Friday
has come to light.
The flight from Denpasar was about to land when the pilots queried
why they could see vehicles and machinery at the end of the runway
and began a go-around.
Perth tower is understood to have been doubly surprised.
Not only had Garuda and all other airlines using the airport been
issued with a special notification of the work, which instructed them
to use a displaced threshold, meaning land further down the runway
than normal, but a copy of these instructions had been transmitted to
the flight as it approached Perth.

Make that a triple surprise. The Garuda flight then lined for another
landing on the runway and appeared at imminent risk of touching down
right on top of the work site.

The tower ordered the Indonesians to abort the landing approach and
go around again, but they kept coming, levelling off at the last
moment to skim over the obstacles and then land safely on the
remainder of the runway.

A major investigation has been launched by the Australian Transport
Safety Bureau. It is certain to ask whether or not the original
notification to all pilots was clearly written (which Crikey
understands that it was), whether Garuda’s operations division
actually read and acted upon the notification, whether its pilots
paid any attention to the electronic copy of the notification sent to
their flight, and whether they understood the urgent advice from the
tower to discontinue their landing approach and what factors might
have made them ignore its directive.

This is a serious matter. While the ATSB only deals with the
technical aspects of incidents with a view to furthering aviation
safety, there is a political dimension which PM Rudd, as leader of
the opposition, grasped in the aftermath of the 7 March, 2007
atrocity in which another Garuda 737 crash landed at Yogyakarta
Airport which killed two AFP security officers, two Australian
government employees, one journalist, 17 other passengers and left
dozens injured or crippled among the 118 survivors.

That Garuda jet was still a smoking ruin when Rudd called for
criminal sanctions against the pilots involved, who tried to land it
on a short runway at twice the normal speed.

Subject to the findings of the investigation, what will the PM do
about the antics of Garuda (which is responsible for the competency
of its pilots) at an Australian airport?

Or does being in government make it all too hard to demand answers
and actions?

[Nigel C]

What was the source for this Monty?

Does anyone know if there's a link available yet fo the ATSB report?

[Montague S]

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200802821.aspx

[Nigel C]

Cheers

[Rhys Xanthis]

Saw this on the news...

I will NEVER fly Garuda or any other Indo airline. Regardless of who's fault this incident was, they have poor safety standards (lol they claimed they had "world class" safety standards...dont think so!).

What about you guys? We should take a leaf out of the EU's book ...

the description of this on ATSB concerns me..

Originally Posted by ATSB

The threshold of runway 21 was displaced as per NOTAM and the information was broadcast on the ATIS but during short final, the crew of the Boeing 737-800 queried the presence of vehicles on the runway and commenced a missed approach after receiving the information from ATC. During the second approach the aircraft appeared to aim short and was instructed to go around but the aircraft levelled and landed past the displaced threshold.

[Matt_L]

I think we need a blanket ban on Garuda,
Dont let them fly to Australia until they fix up their aviation system (of which both will never happen) as the EU ban has been in force for quite some time. These people never learn and what they do wrong they compensate with a corrupt legal system and justice system ie why the adam air crashes and alot of garuda crashes have been kept quiet to the extent that criminal proceedings are hard to come by etc
Its downright deplorable and needs to stop.
When I was driving past Sydney Intl last thursday morning during fog, guess which International plane landed. Why it was Garuda! from DPS.
On this note,
does anyone know why Garuda was pretty much the only one to land in the fog, intl arrivals anyways last thursday.
Regards,
Matt

[Andrew P]

Originally Posted by Matt_L

I think we need a blanket ban on Garuda,
Dont let them fly to Australia until they fix up their aviation system (which will never happen)
Matt

won't happen

and the 1st thing Indonesia will do is ban Australian planes from Indonesian airspace in return

what a mess that would cause

Banjo

[Andrew P]

Originally Posted by Matt_L

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When I was driving past Sydney Intl last thursday morning during fog, guess which International plane landed. Why it was Garuda! from DPS.
On this note,
does anyone know why Garuda was pretty much the only one to land in the fog, intl arrivals anyways last thursday.
Regards,
Matt

and who followed right in behind it EK, so that makes EK a bad airline too and should be banned from Aussie?

Banjo

[Rhys Xanthis]

Originally Posted by Andrew P

won't happen

and the 1st thing Indonesia will do is ban Australian planes from Indonesian airspace in return

They wont do that, tourists bring in too much money.

It will harm relations though...im of the opinion that the Indonesians need to be kept in check very closely..

[Nigel C]

Originally Posted by Matt_L

When I was driving past Sydney Intl last thursday morning during fog, guess which International plane landed. Why it was Garuda! from DPS.
On this note,
does anyone know why Garuda was pretty much the only one to land in the fog, intl arrivals anyways last thursday.
Regards,
Matt

I've seen first hand many times the difference just a couple of seconds can make during foggy mornings at the airport.

The banks of fog can really thicken up and then ease in a matter of seconds, and if the pilot reaches decision height and things look good at just the right moment then they'll continue. If they cop a dose of the bad stuff, then it's a different story.

However I'm only seeing what's happening on the ground next to the runway and not from the pilots seat. What you're seeing further away from the runways would be entirely different again.